A perfect rebuttal to anti maskers

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    We have seatbelt laws, helmet laws, speed restrictions on roads, and regulations covering pretty much every single piece of an automobile.

    We have laws against entering stores without proper attire (shoes, pants, shirt) that are there for public health reasons.

    We require several vaccinations for entering school.

    The idea that a mask to combat COVID is outrageous or even exceptional does not make ANY sense AT ALL.
     
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    In almost NO location would it be legal for him to enter a grocery store dressed like that.

    And, why do you need a LAW to REQUIRE you to defend against COVID???

    Doesn't simple common sense get you all the way there?
     
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    It has come to light that common sense isn't all that common and not everyone who believes they have it actually do.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm interested in knowing which mask stops a virus as they're only capable of stopping bacteria. Viruses are too small. Anyone got a data sheet on such a mask? I know the EU don't have a standard on masks to deal with viruses.
     
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    But what if seatbelts didn't help? What if, in the middle of an outbreak of highway deaths, the government mandates seatbelts but deaths don't go down and in fact go up in certain places?
    The fact is that masks, and cloth masks in particular, don't offer much protection against covid. The numbers bear it out. There were mask mandates across the country last winter, exactly when we all hit our infection, hospitalization, and death peaks. This is incontrovertible.
    We all agree that a virus is many times too small to be filtered by a cloth mask. We also know that a persons respiration emits particles that are too small to be filtered. So what does a mask do? Well, it catches particles that are big enough to be caught in the mask fiber. Awesome. The problem is that these particles are, for the most part, big enough that they rapidly fall to the ground. These big droplets are NOT the particles that will drift on air currents and infect others that are more than 6 feet away. People really need to wake up and understand that a mask - especially a cloth mask - do not provide any real protection. People need to be aware that if you get too close to a person that is actively shedding the virus you WILL be exposed!!!! That cloth diaper around your face is not going to save you.
     
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    Your first paragraph certainly is controvertible. You ignore a few key factors. First, masks are not perfect - they reduce, but don't prevent transmission rate. Second, and probably much more importantly, there are factors other than masks. Your "infections went up so masks don't work" logic is one of the "correlation vs. causation" fallacies. The question is whether masks slowed the increase in COVID cases. For that, you can't just ignore all the other factors, such as the virulence of the virus, the degree to which it had permeated particular countries, etc. Third, significant numbers of Americans absolutely ignored the mask mandates - and still do today!! Mask mandates don't prevent people from being sociopaths.

    Yes, masks reduce the miniscule droplets expelled by breathing, talking, sneezing, etc. Those droplets are a major method of transmission. What you say about that is not what science says about that.

    Plus, a major aspect of masking is that wearing a mask protects OTHERS. COVID disease can be spread before an individual has symptoms. The problem with gatherings, for example, is not just that there are people with symptoms in those gatherings - it's that there are people emitting viruses without having symptoms, thus not even knowing they are sick.

    Remember that those performing operations in hospitals, surgeons and other OR staff, wear masks when performing surgery. They are NOT doing that to protect themselves from your heart bypass or seriously broken bones, or your gal bladder, or whatever. They are wearing masks to protect YOU, the patient.

    Masks help attack COVID in the same way - by preventing the spread of biological agents such as viruses that we may not even know we have.
     
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    Masks don't stop viruses, even if you don't know you have them.
    I live in Texas and masks are optional. I walk around a little park lake every morning and exchange smiles, good mornings and nods with several people. That's as it should be. If people can't interact they grow suspicious and fearful of each other. That is the legacy of lockdowns and mandates. We have lost businesses that will never get back and it is no comfort to the people damaged to know that there will be more companies starting up sooner or later. For some it was their life's work. What China has done to the world is horrible but what we are doing to each other is worse.
     
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    First of all, a mask does not prevent you from exchanging pleasantries. It DOES reduce exchanging COVID viruses.

    You can't blame China for having viruses.
     
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    No you can't.

    If China can't be blamed for giving the world this virus then how in the world can you blame someone who chose not to get a shot for giving that same virus to your grandmother?
     
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    The CDCs own sponsored mask studies showed they don’t work against viruses and 2019 Fauci said they were useless so…
     
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    not "anti-mask" don't give a poop if you have one or not (unless your doing something illegal.0 wear the damn thing so we know who the idiots are. Use your marxist linguistics on everything. BTW I'm not anti-environment, either.. I just don't think the government will do anything that will help the environment.
     
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    If a person is identified as having taken some action that caused a bad outcome, then you can blame them for that action.

    You can't blame China for having infected bats, pangolins, etc.
     
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    If a dr is infected with a virus you can be sure you will also be infected during your heart procedure. And another thing, they are very much wearing the mask to protect themselves!! A surgical mask protects the doctor against fluid splatter. It's one of the primary reasons they wear them. Anything else? You have provided very little in defense of the mask.
     
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    The CDC has stated for more than a year now that masks are important in slowing COVID spread.

    If you think they show something different, then CITE IT.
     
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    Those who are nowhere near the patient, but even just enter the room and then leave are required to have worn a mask while in the room.
     
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    I think I see the problem here. We don't speak the same language.
     
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    I'll clarify anything you want to ask about.
     
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    Read the studies they funded.
     
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    I'm not the one that is confused.
     
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    That isn't an answer. CDC, FDA, WHO and many others have contributed to large numbers of studies.

    YOU made a claim.

    I'm asking you to cite support for it.
     
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    If you have a point to make, I'm confident you will post it.
     

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