A simple relevant question at this time

You are equating gun control laws to mean no guns or that all guns are registered, which is a false, illogical argument.

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the irony is that the box cutters and small knives there were less than 3 inches were allowed by law when they boarded the plane, all done by private security companies hired by the airlines. We also assumed that any hijacking would follow a standard, prescribed set of events demanding that a group be released for political purposes, like all the other hijackings prior to 9/11.

 

We don't have a black problem nor more than we have an Asian or Hispanic problem. We do have an idiot problem here who try to politicize and blame everything on a group based on guilty by association though.

The posters who responded provided the link from guncite.org on where those statistics come from. In addition, those that responded to Doug's post used the same illogical augment that they accused Doug of. So, let's dispense with the pseudo insults to any poster who does not agree with your extremist political ideology.

 

typical.

It's never just about guns. You can't have massively strict gun control, remove as many guns from legal gun owners as possible, see gun crime go down and then claim your gun control laws work.

That is the argument of the extremely unintelligent. Do you even know why? Do you have the ability to figure out on your own why gun control is NEVER just about gun crime? Or does someone like me have to tell you?

 

This is by far the funniest post I've ever seen here. And that's saying something.

 

So you can't answer my question as to why this argument is one used by the extremely unintelligent?

 

For future reference it's more clear if you put a leading zero, 0.22.
I saw the decimal point the 1st time, but obviously someone didn't.

 

Very good question, it is one I have been thinking about since Friday. It is not an accident that the muslim filth has not attempted a parisian-style attack in a place like Dallas, TX or Boise ID - the attackers with their AK47s would actually probably be outgunned - and that's just discussing the little old ladies lunching in those places. It is to be expected that like the average non-muslim common criminals/gang members committing basic theft/muggings in cities like Chicago or Wash DC; the muslim filth will seek out locales with strong gun control laws so they don't have to worry about anyone firing back.

Does anyone really think that the muslim filth would have targeted that theatre if they were worried about 1,000 people having 9 mm handguns on them?

 

That's why there's never been a terrorist attack in the US by Muslims. Oh wait...

 

You must have forgotten about the parisian muslim riots, where they burned thousands of cars for months. Paris is also a major transit point for female slavery and smuggling, and has a higher pickpocket and theft/robbery rate.

 

Pickpockets! OMG how terrible! Chicago must be much safer a vacation destination right?

 

You are missing the major point of this thread; did France's tight gun laws prevent the muslim filth from getting lots of AK47s and other heavy weapons, the suicide belts, etc.? So since these muslims had no issue bringing in these guns, how can you claim that gun laws work there?

 

I'll reply.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/France/United-States/Crime

Homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants
France 1.31
USA 5

as a bonus
Rape per year per 100,000 inhabitants
France 16.2
USA 27.3

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-crimes-per-1000
Total crimes per 1000
France 61.03
USA 41.29
Iceland 209.52 - 1st
Sweden 138.35 - 2nd

Iceland convicts bad bankers and says other nations can act

 

There are more crimes committed in france than in the US, they are of a different nature. Switzerland's gun ownership is comparable to the US, but as pointed out above they do not have large black inner city populations, so their crime rates are lower. That white people can get guns in the US is not the driving factor in pushing the murder rate up.

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Have muslims tried to conduct a paris or mumbai-style attack in a major US city that has CCW? Not that I'm aware of.

 

Not all murders are gun murders.

Table 10 Number of deaths from 113 selected causes, Enterocolitis due to Clostridium difficile, drug-induced causes, alcohol-induced causes, and injury by firearms, by age: United States, 2013

Accidental discharge of firearms (W32-W34) - 505
Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms (X72-X74) - 21,175
Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms (*U01.4,X93-X95) - 11,208
Discharge of firearms, undetermined intent (Y22-Y24) - 281

Total: 33,168

Drug-induced deaths (2,3) - 46,471

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

The population of the U.S. is approx 310,000,000 and 11,208 gun homicides makes it 3.5 per 100,000.

 

If you wanted to force the answer, then you should have asked the question more carefully. You apparently wanted make a broader point, but that was clearly unsuccessful.

 

We're going around in circles. Gun murders were the first thing posted by Doug in his post #3

 

sad part is, the federal agents they use now, are just as bad, except they've got more attitude with you and authority to arrest you if you pull back when they grab your nutsack... its annoying when they want to "punish you" for getting lippy with them... power trips come in every job, they just get away with it far more than others... at least the lines move much quicker now than before...

 

What a steaming pile, putting your fingers in your ears while you click you're ruby slippers together chanting "we don't have a black problem, we don't have a black problem" won't make it so no matter how hard you squint.

http://www.politicalforum.com/gun-control/431627-gunshot-demographics.html

 

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I'll ask again, did the tough french gun laws prevent the acquisition of the weapons used by the muslims on friday?

 

Interesting site, I'll have to dig into it more later. Thanks for posting it, a lot of details to look at though, it's very hard to compare crime stats between countries.

Two points still stand though even if I concede the US has higher crime rates. First that's the cost of freedom, so be it, second when you factor in demographics it becomes very clear that the vast majority of crime in the US involves blacks, large Democrat dominated cities, and strict gun control laws. Remove Washington DC, Baltimore, Chicago, and Detroit from our stats and we're maybe the most peaceful nation on earth,

 

Wow, I never expected the leftist to admit gun control laws cannot insure that guns will be eliminated or even universally registered and that such laws will not prevent all gun violence.

That is to say a gun ban would only reduce the number of guns and that is also to say that bad people will still have access to guns despite a complete and total gun ban.

So we agree then? Gun control and gun bans will never work, ever. There will always be violence committed by using guns no matter how oppressive gun laws are made.

 

I'm not disputing that there are more murders, I'm disputing that the murder rate is higher. The population of the US is several magnitudes larger than France's so there will always be more of everything.

Is the lotto a sure thing because their's a winner almost every drawing? No, you're still more likely to get struck by lighting and a meteor at the same time but the sheer number of players makes it inevitable that someone will usually win. The same applies when comparing 2 populations of radically different sizes. Something that happens more in the US might be 10X more likely to happen in France (I'm making a point, not saying the murder rate in 10x higher in France). It's the percentages that tell the story in cases like this, not real numbers.

 

If one decides to attack a place, they will choose the method, the weapons, and the timing for that attack. whether there are gun control laws will not matter. In Dallas, for instance, there have been a couple of instances where a person attempted a terrorist attack but was foiled. The last one being in 2012 or 2013.

 

I have never had a problem with TSA when going through the airport. They usually do a good job. However, CBP when returning is a different story. I have gotten better service, better interpersonal communications with the People's Republic of China even though they know I bring a small Bible for my personal use when I go there.