A tale of two Americas Red states are growing, while blue states are mired in lawlessness and decli

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    A tale of two Americas
    Red states are growing, while blue states are mired in lawlessness and decline.


    ..,So, what is happening in this increasingly inexplicable country? Essentially, there are now two prevailing realities in the US. One is primarily urban, single and, despite some GOP gains in this demographic, still largely non-white. It functions on the backs of finance, tech and the service industries. The other is largely suburban or exurban, family centric and more likely involved in basic industries like manufacturing, logistics, agriculture and energy.

    Usually, the media assume these two Americas represent equally viable political economies. But this is increasingly not the case. In population terms at least, red America is now growing far more rapidly than blue America…


    …Between 2010 and 2020, 51 major metropolitan areas lost 2.7million net domestic migrants from their most central counties, while suburban counties gained two million people. The Midterms show that Republicans are gaining ground in these largely suburban areas – particularly in Florida, as well as suburban Phoenix, the outskirts of Atlanta, the Houston exurbs, largely suburban Nashville, the sprawling Virginia Beach area and suburban Detroit. Democrats, where they made gains yesterday, tended to be in places like California, where the Republican Party has all but ceased to exist.

    Whether Democrats like it or not, these red-leaning places, not California or New York, are where more Americans plan to settle and start families. Today, blue-state economies, based on tech and finance, generally underperform more blue-collar red economies…






    https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/11/09/a-tale-of-two-americas/






    The cultural divide as described above and in the link only grew with the results of the election. The economic divide is huge as well. The people are voting with their feet or U-Hauls as to the better places to raise a family and have career opportunities.

     
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    The sad thing is that for the blue combined economic and political system to work as they hope, they intend as a result to destroy the economy of red America.
     
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    Much of what is going on has to do with global economic trends. As manufacturing comes back to the U.S., Mexico is going to be a huge beneficiary [proximity, reasonable labor costs, educated, industrious population]. This sets things up huge growth for Texas for the next several decades. New York and California have pretty much priced themselves out of the market, and although CA will still prosper [in the long run] because of its incredible geography/weather, etc., New York should be entering massive decline [especially if another financial hub is created elsewhere [Miami?].

    The move left by the Democrats is simply hastening these trends.
     
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    The economy of "Red America" is Ag. This map shows the real results of the 2016 election by pining each vote cast.

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    LOL! Without the blue population center economic output, what would rural America's economy be?

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    There is much more to the red economy than just ag. Try reading the entire article at the source link and you will see that. I live in a red area within a blue state and local policies are causing our population and business investments to increase steadily even as we do as much as we can get away with being polar opposites of our coastal urban areas
     
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    What would urban America’s economy be without food and energy produced in rural America? You too should actually read the entire article.
     
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    Seems the US economy relies on output from all different parts of the US. You can all bicker like 5 yr olds all you want but the bottom line is we all need each other.
     
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    What the map I posted shows is all the red Republicans brag about is very sparsely populated mostly rural areas of our nation.
     
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    That is factually true. The problem is that for the goals and ideals of the blue states green new deal to be realized nationwide, the economy of red America has to be totally destroyed. Energy, manufacturing, and Ag are all under siege by the inner urban core democrat elites.
     
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    It also includes exurbs, smaller cities, and clusters of small towns in red. I saw my Ca.city as one of those red dots.
     
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    One graph shows that isn’t correct
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
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    If you throw in average income ratios for states the trend is apparent. Violent crime, murder, educational attainment and proficiency — red states typically lag their blue states significantly.

    Not to mention that red states are the majority of welfare states and the obvious becomes apparent.

    It looks like you would have tried to find some more legitimate sources after your projections for 2022 resulted in such a humiliating defeat but I guess some of us just prefer sources that feed us what we want to hear.
     
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    Why do you think urban core elites (whatever that boogeyman is) want to destroy Ag? Don't they have to eat too?

    Also, renewable energy could be a boon to rural America. Think about all the empty, unused space that could be used for solar panels and wind farms. Red America just has to get its mind out of the last century way of thinking.
     
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    And yet in most of what you show most of the crime happens in blue controlled cities within those red states. Jackson, Birmingham, New Orleans, Little Rock, St Louis, KC, etc
     
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    One fifth of all welfare and 1/3 of all homelessness in all America occurs in one state. California
     
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    So you want to move away from the red state blue state discussion and move it to the densely populated blue cities to the vacant land red towns?

    Most of the crime occurs in the most heavily populated areas of the country, no, say that isn’t true!

    I don’t feel like explaining per capita ratios again today.
     
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    More of that paternal nature and sheer condescending arrogance from the bicoastal urban elite thinking they know better than we how we should run our economy and our lives.
     
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    Source?
     
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    SpikedOnline.com specious propaganda that's fodder for the extreme RW AKA B/S. See the two quote below blowing this partisan gas lighting nonsense into Trump's shallow swamp. Pls do better..
    Killing the OP with well sources FACTS^^^! Thanks, combatting nonsense posts and OPs is a full time "job"....geez.
     
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    Whether Democrats like it or not, these red-leaning places, not California or New York, are where more Americans plan to settle and start families. Today, blue-state economies, based on tech and finance, generally underperform more blue-collar red economies like Texas, Arizona, Florida and Tennessee. Over the past five years, Raleigh, Phoenix, Nashville, Salt Lake City and Dallas have grown jobs at a faster rate than Silicon Valley and Seattle – and at double the rate of New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.

    Investors are placing their bets in these places, too. California, easily the most important blue state, ranked near the bottom in 2020 in terms of new capital projects, and it suffered even further losses in 2021. The reshoring of basic industries like mining and manufacturing, as well as the new surge of chip production, is happening almost entirely in states like Ohio, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas. Even the green economy – so passionately embraced on the blue coasts – won’t provide many jobs there. Almost all the new electric vehicle and battery plants are located either in the Rustbelt, the south or in places east of the Sierra Nevada.

    Red states are strongest at the level of small- and medium-sized firms. Last year, the biggest upsurge in new business formation took place in the deep south, Texas and the south west.


    https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/11/09/a-tale-of-two-americas/


    you were saying?
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/n...-when-it-comes-to-welfare-spending-2017-11-28

    https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1300&fn[]=2900&fn[]=6400&fn[]=10200&fn[]=13400


    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-jackson-california-poverty-20180114-story.html

    https://www.unitedstatesnow.org/who-is-eligible-for-welfare-in-the-united-states.htm
     
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    if you look at the areas that are heavily being invested in, they are rapidly turning blue, furthermore, most of the income that each state generates are derived from very very blue areas. Per capita welfare use is most heavily concentrated in red states.

    The homelessness issue is just sad, I hope California in the next four states that are over represented by their population can find a solution to this issue.
     
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    Nonsense. Nothing is under siege. Blue states allegedly wanting something to be nationwide doesn’t make it so.
     
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    Would you like to provide a link that there is no economy in red America such as manufacturing?
     
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    That wasn't the point, the majority of red voters live in sparsely populated rural America. So when you guy's publish blood red maps, it's really disingenuous; nobody lives there.
     
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    That won't make it go away.
     
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