Late at night here and it was a while ago that I did the research so, sorry it will have to wait till later to do this The Israelis will not use it to extract information https://scholar.google.com.au/schol...+research&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
And yet those stores continue to get knocked off. That suggests that prison is not much of a deterrent. But what about the person who is locked up? Will that person continue doing bad things? In other words, is there something we could do while that person is in prison that might steer them away from criminal behavior? I'm a firm believer in consequences. I just wonder how much good the 'holding pen' notion is doing? I have no answers, only questions.
True, but I'm pretty sure that people usually assume they're not going to get caught when they do bad stuff. For that reason, I question the value of corporal punishment. I'm all for having consequences, but not sure how effective some of it is.
Logic: People are falsely convicted therefore do away with prison. Yeah, I don't think it's my logic that has a problem here. If false conviction is the problem then addressing the judicial system is the solution. Though I don't think progressives have a problem with false conviction in general. See: Russiagate, Kavanaugh, Smollett.. etc...
Prison colonies. Ultra Low Security areas in the middle of no where. Only for those prisoners who can be "trusted" with such incarceration. Incarceration for a crime is about loss of FREEDOM.
Whether it's one year or 35 years, I don't think too many would do it if they thought they'd be caught. I think part of the motivation is the belief that they won't get caught. In that sense, I don't see it as effective.
People who violate the social contract have voided that contract. It's up to us to decide what morals apply, and how best to protect the integrity of the contract for those that do not violate it. With every right there is a responsibility, including the right to freedom. That responsibility is to the rights of others. If you neglect that responsibility you don't have the right... So while I agree that freedom is precious, I don't think it can be weighed objectively against what you call, fleeting pain. Pain is subjective, yet it can have objective effect on brain/body chemistry; a lost lasting objective effect.
It doesnt work in the studies... But I've seen it work in real life. Numbers, positions, plans. He told us the truth because we could see them. Of course, my opinion is only that; an opinion. I'm not going to say its 100% effective, but if they are privy to information (that's the IF), they'll give it up.
Evidently, some prisons are more equal than others. This must be another one of Comrade AOC's "big and bold" ideas. Instead of settling for imprisoning criminals, America should shoot for the socialist stars and imprison everyone!
Yes, but other than keeping them from doing it again right away, does it change their attitude or do we just kick that can down the street?
I read about a negative correlation between mass incarceration and the crime rate. Locking up the criminals does reduce the crime rate.
Can you show me your link? I'm not challenging you, I just want to read up on it. The only thing I ever saw that suggested incarceration lowers crime rates had to do with recidivism among older inmates.
Prison should be the absolute last resort for repeat dangerous violent offenders. And if these violent offenders are serving a determinate sentence the entire system should be designed to rehabilitate these violent offenders. The present system is a disgusting model which takes young petty criminals and turns them into violent thugs by encarcerating them with older violent gangsters. The main reason for this is the idiotic war on drugs. We need to revamp our entire criminal “justice” system. We here in the home of the brave and “the land of the free” have more people locked up per capital than any other nation in the world. It is not a result of us having the worst people in the world , just too many stupid laws and ridiculously harsh sentencing laws. Criminal justice reform should be a top priority for any future candidates for state or local government positions.
Understand that I'm not criticizing anyone here--Just asking questions.. How do we rehab those offenders? Haven't we tried that before?
Sorry, no link. But the decline in crime rates coincident with the rise of mass incarceration are both widely noted. I do have a link documenting the rise in shoplifting coincident with a decline in the penalties for shoplifting, though. Spike In Shoplifting Blamed On California Prop 47’s Reduced Penalties https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/05/14/shoplifting-california-prop-47-reduced-penalties/
In India they take violent thugs and put them into an ashram type program where they are taught to meditate and pacify their minds. They have a very high rate of success. Here we run a system of segregated gangs in prisons encouraging hate, bullying and are almost sure to turn our prisoners into more violent, hateful and dangerous people. The recidivism rate is 70%-80% here. A miserable failure if ever there was one.
Is there data that suggests this would have an effect on repeat offense? Is a domestic abuser less likely to beat his wife? Is an alcoholic less likely to drink and drive?
https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-india-jail-deaths-2018-story.html Seems like India has its problems too.
That may be true but some of their programs have had great success in taking violent criminals and turning them into productive citizens. One thing is clear, our present system is a recipe for disaster and repeat business. We lock 18 year old kids up for petty bullshit drug crimes and turn out ruthless violent criminals. Our system is a racket devised by the aptly named prison industrial complex to create lifetime customers which we end up paying $50k a year to lock up then turn them loose so they can create more havoc before they are sent back.
