About the Holocaust

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  1. Ronald Hillman

    Ronald Hillman Well-Known Member

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    Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the "New Germany" at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime.

    You did in your source which I quoted, now will you finally accept the above article is a lie?

    Neither Beaverbrook nor Lloyd George were Jewish please stop inventing things, do you want me to list all of the antisemites you have quoted?
     
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    Anti-Semites suggest that statements made by hostile Jews be supported by all Jews. Just like (neo-)Nazis who claim to speak for the people.
     
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    @Grau , you said that you understand the German language.

    Therefore I recommend this website to you: https://www.h-ref.de/
    Many lies of Jew-haters are refuted there.
     
  4. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never claimed that Beaverbrook or Lloyd George were Jewish. I simply quoted Lloyd George's observation about the enormous influence of the international bankers most of whom were Jewish:

    "The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of absolute monarchs."

    The term "anti Semite" has been so widely overused, misused & exploited by desperate Zionists and holocaustians that it is largely meaningless.

    "An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews;

    nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”

    - Gilad Atzmon, Jewish musician and author, 2011


    I honestly don't understand what is confusing to you. Did Jewish / Zionist leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally (i.e in writing) declare economic war on Germany or not?

    What is vague about the following declarations of war on Germany and its people by Jewish leaders who claim to have enormous influence over England, France, Russia, the U.S.? (Original source below)

    1. "We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United
    Jewish Campaign, 1934

    2. "There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jews are the
    most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it."
    -
    Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin,

    3. "Before the end of the year, an economic bloc of England, Russia, France and the U.S. A will be
    formed to bring the German and Italian economic systems to their knees."
    - Paul Dreyfus,

    4. "... the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost
    positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be
    sending the Nazi dictator to hell."
    - Joseph Trimble, the American Hebrew.

    5. "Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war without mercy against
    her. One may be sure of this: We will lead that war!"
    - Bernard Lecache, the president of the
    "International League Against Racism and Anti-Semitism,"

    6. "The millions of Jews who live in America, England and France, North and South Africa, and,
    not to forget those in Palestine, are determined to bring the war of annihilation against Germany
    to its final end."
    - Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederland,

    7. "The World Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years." - Rabbi M.
    Perlzweig (head of the British Section of the World Jewish Congress),

    8. "The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of Judaism." -
    Rabbi Felix Mendlesohn,

    9. "We are not denying and are not afraid to confess that this war is our war and that it is waged for
    the liberation of Jewry.
    .. Stronger than all fronts together is our front, that of Jewry. We are not
    only giving this war our financial support on which the entire war production is based, we are not
    only providing our full propaganda power which is the moral energy that keeps this war going.

    The guarantee of victory is predominantly based on weakening the enemy forces, on destroying
    them in their own country, within the resistance. And we are the Trojan horses in the enemy's
    fortress. Thousands of Jews living in Europe constitute the principal factor in the destruction of
    our enemy.
    There, our front is a fact and the most valuable aid for victory." - Chaim Weizmann,
    President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later President of
    Israel,"

    "Jews Declare War on Germany 1933"
    https://archive.org/stream/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933_djvu.txt

    QUOTES/EXCERPTS:

    "War in Europe in 1934 was inevitable." - H. Morgenthau, Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Hearst
    Press, September, 1933 (also quoted in "The Palestine Plot" by B. Jenson, p. 1 1 (printed by John
    McKinley, 11-15 King Street, Perth, Scotland)).

    "Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but
    soon." - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book "The New Holy
    Alliance")

    "We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United
    Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson,
    page 188 and "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, page 52).

    "We want to bring about a deep hatred for the Germans, for German soldiers, sailors, and
    airmen. We must hate until we win." - Lord Beaverbrook, quoted in Niemals! by Heinrich
    Goitsch.

    "There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jews are the
    most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it." -
    Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin, July 27, 1935.

    "Before the end of the year, an economic bloc of England, Russia, France and the U.S. A will be
    formed to bring the German and Italian economic systems to their knees." - Paul Dreyfus, "La
    Vie de Tanger" May 15, 1938.

    On the 3rd of June, 1938, the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost
    positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be
    sending the Nazi dictator to hell." - Joseph Trimble, the American Hebrew.

    "Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war without mercy against
    her. One may be sure of this: We will lead that war!" - Bernard Lecache, the president of the
    "International League Against Racism and Anti-Semitism," in its newspaper "Droit de Vivre"
    (Right to Life), 9 November, 1938.

    "The war now proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish hegemony throughout the
    world." - Brigadier General George Van Horn Mosely, The New York Tribune, March 29, 1939.

    "The millions of Jews who live in America, England and France, North and South Africa, and,
    not to forget those in Palestine, are determined to bring the war of annihilation against Germany
    to its final end." - Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederland, September 13, 1939.

    "Stop talking about peace conditions! Break Germany in pieces!" - The Daily Herald, No.7426, 9
    December, 1939.

    "The Jews, taken collectively, view this war as a holy war." - The Daily Herald, No. 7450, 1939,
    quoted in "Reichstagsbrand, Aufklarung einer historischen Legende," by U. Backes, K.H.
    JanBen, E. Jesse, H. Kohler, H. Mommsen, E Tobias.

    "Even if we Jews are not physically at your side in the trenches, we are morally with you. This
    war is our war and you fight it with us." - Schalom Asch, Les Nouvelles Litterairres, February
    10, 1940.

    "In losing Germany, Jewry lost a territory from which it exerted power. Therefore it was
    determined to re-conquer it." - Louis Marschalko, "The World Conquerors : The Real War
    Criminals."

    "The World Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years." - Rabbi M.
    Perlzweig (head of the British Section of the World Jewish Congress), Toronto Evening
    Telegram, February 26, 1940.

    "The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of Judaism." -
    Rabbi Felix Mendlesohn, Chicago Sentinel, October 8, 1942.

    "We are not denying and are not afraid to confess that this war is our war and that it is waged for
    the liberation of Jewry... Stronger than all fronts together is our front, that of Jewry. We are not
    only giving this war our financial support on which the entire war production is based, we are not
    only providing our full propaganda power which is the moral energy that keeps this war going.
    The guarantee of victory is predominantly based on weakening the enemy forces, on destroying
    them in their own country, within the resistance. And we are the Trojan horses in the enemy's
    fortress. Thousands of Jews living in Europe constitute the principal factor in the destruction of
    our enemy. There, our front is a fact and the most valuable aid for victory." - Chaim Weizmann,
    President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later President of
    Israel, in a Speech on December 3, 1942, in New York.

    "Played golf with Joe Kennedy (U.S. Ambassador to Britain). He says that Chamberlain stated
    that America and world Jewry forced England into World War II." - James Forrestal, Secretary
    of the Navy (later Secretary of Defense), Diary, December 27, 1945 entry.

    "It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was wanted and provoked
    solely by international statesmen either of Jewish origin or working for Jewish interests. Nor had
    I ever wished that after the appalling first World War, there would ever be a second against
    either England or America." - Adolf Hitler, April, 1945.

    The joke doing the rounds of the British Union of Fascists at this time, was that the Jewish
    national anthem was, 'Onward Christian Soldiers.'"
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  5. Ronald Hillman

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    Please show where Lloyd George states the above were mostly Jewish, try telling the truth, that is your antisemetic trope not Lloyd George!
     
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    Zionism is about self-determination of the Jewish people in the land of Israel. Anyone who thinks Jews have the right to a national home in the land of their ancestors is a Zionist in the broadest sense.

    There are several brands of Zionism, depending on who you ask:
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/a-definition-of-zionism

    Yes, Palestinians are outcasts in some Arab countries. They are the only people in known history artificially created in order to annihilate another people.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ldoze-her-home.576879/page-21#post-1071975457
     
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    This theory has been proven false long ago.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you were as informed about the subject at hand as you were desperate to slander those who debunk your nonsense, you would know that it was precisely international Jewish bankers to which Lloyd George was referring:

    "So too for Lloyd George, in whose mind Jews pulled the levers of both world banking and Bolshevism.”(1)

    The same Jewish source goes on to state Lloyd George's additional sentiments concerning the seriousness of a declaration of war by international Jewish organizations:

    "Returning the idea that Jews have vast power, he [Lloyd George] told Peel: “There are two people I would not quarrel with if I was running a State. They are both international forces.” One was “the Jews,” he said, while the other was the Catholic Church."(1)

    Lloyd George's original quote: "'The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of absolute monarchs."(2) was in reference to the draconian Treaty of Versailles which many historians believe was a significant factor in the causes of WW 2.


    (1) "Britain’s First World War PM said Jews were ‘a dangerous people to quarrel with’"
    https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.co...jews-were-a-dangerous-people-to-quarrel-with/

    (2) "
    War-Treaty of Versailles 1919."
    http://lovkap.blogspot.com/2013/02/war-treaty-of-versailles-1919.html
     
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    Kuwaiti TV host Fajer Alsaeed said in a monologue on an August 17, 2020 episode of her show on Scope TV (Kuwait) that the Palestinians are rejecting the benefits the UAE has achieved on their behalf in its deal with Israel like they had rejected the treaty that Egyptian President Anwar Sadat had signed with Israel. She said that she hopes that the Palestinians will deal "responsibly" with the current deal between the UAE and Israel and "do away with the revolutionary spirit" that she said no longer suits this day and age.

    https://www.memri.org/tv/kuwaiti-ho...ejection-of-uae-isreal-peace-historic-mistake


    Our entire life has been shut down by a tiny virus.
    Look at the world from that perspective, not from the perspective of 70 years ago. The world has changed, but Palestinian mentality remains the same.
     
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    I wonder why radical Zionists insist on Palestinian descent of the "real Jews". This is mo'fu**ing racism, bro.
    Every Jew deserves to be respected as a Jew by his brothers. But see what happens to black Jews in so-called "Israel".
     
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    I wonder why Arabs insist on Canaanite ancestry, calling themselves the "real Palestinians".

    Never heard the term "real Jews" used by a Zionist, only by extremist anti-Zionists. No self-respecting Zionist would ever claim Palestinian descent, by the way. We call ourselves "sons of Israel", not Palestinians. We are descended from ancient Canaanite tribes, as are over 90% of modern Lebanese. Genetic studies, you know, not Soviet-inspired emotional drivel.

    I see very well what happens to black Jews in Israel (I'll ignore your rather childish "so-called "Israel""), from a front-row seat, actually. I live in Israel. There's no institutionalized racism, if that's what you meant. However, racism, or lack thereof, is irrelevant in a discussion about genetic studies on ancestry and origins, so your entire post is a big fat strawman built to avoid the real issues.
     
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    WTF?

    Palestinian villagers generally trace their family (hamula)'s origins to the Arabian peninsula. Many avow oral traditions of descent from nomadic Arab tribes that migrated to Palestine during or shortly after the Islamic conquest.
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    Palestinians - Wikipedia

    What is the origin of Palestine?
    The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century bce occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza.

    Palestine | History, People, & Religion | Britannica
    www.britannica.com › place › Palestine

    Following the 1980 amendment to Israel's Nationality Law, Palestinians are strictly legal citizens of the State of Israel. They have "passport citizenship" rights, but are excluded from several aspects of the Jewish welfare state and are therefore denied equal "democratic citizenship".

    History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia

    What country has the most Palestinians?

    Who came first Israel or Palestine?

    Before Israel became a nation, the majority of people dwelling in the region were Palestinians—Arabs who lived in what was then known as Palestine. On May 14, 1948, Israel was officially declared a state, marking the first Jewish state in over 2,000 years.May 30, 2018


    Gaza: The History That Fuels the Conflict - HISTORY


    No its about illegal J-W statism.
    Pay attention to what point you are trying to prove, you proved nothing there.
    what Gods chosen people racist?
    Do you think it mmight be because most of them were arabs? :roll:
    there are no zionists in genetic studies
    Jewish Nationality Status as the Basis for Institutionalized Racial Discrimination in Israel

    The U.N. General Assembly resolution that declares Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination has been a controversial issue since its adoption in 1975.

    https://mepc.org/jewish-nationality-status-basis-institutionalized-racial-discrimination-israel


    Scholarly articles for israel institutionalized racism
    racism: Second generation of Ethiopian Jews in Israel's - ‎Ben-Eliezer - Cited by 73
    Racism and the politics of signification: Israeli public … - ‎Herzog - Cited by 12
    Enshrining Discrimination: Israel's Nation-State Law - ‎Ben-Youssef - Cited by 5
    Web results

    Racism in Israel - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Racism_in_Israel

    Racism in Israel encompasses all forms and manifestations of racism experienced in Israel, irrespective of the colour or creed of the perpetrator and victim, ...
    Incidence · ‎Groups subjected to racism · ‎Intra-Jewish racism ...

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    Aug 11, 2020 - Imperialism, which is the driving force of the settler colonial project, is inherently racist and racializing. With the establishment of the state, ...

    Repression and institutional racism in Israel against ethnic ...
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    On 3 May, a peaceful protest began in Tel Aviv against the violence and institutional racism across a large part of the State of Israel against the Israeli population ...

    Jewish Nationality Status as the Basis for Institutionalized Racism...
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    It is, simply, whether the ideology of Zionism and the laws of Israel sanction discrimination against non-Jewish citizens of lsrael. If so, is the label of racism ...

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    Aug 3, 2020 - Identifying with George Floyd is easy, says Shula Mola, a founder of the Association of Ethiopian Jews. White Israelis should confront the ...

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    Zionists are fake Jews proven by the pic above.
     
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    Dr. Sufian Abu Zaida, a Fatah member close to Muhammad Dahlan and a former minister of prisoner affairs in the Palestinian Authority (PA), is known for his frequent criticism of PA President Mahmoud 'Abbas and in the past was even suspended from Fatah for it. In an article published August 16, 2020 on the Samanews.ps website, he harshly criticized the Palestinian response to the normalization agreement between Israel and the UAE, which took the form of curses, accusations of treason against the UAE, and the burning of the Emirati flag and pictures of Emirati leaders.

    https://www.memri.org/reports/fatah...action-israel-uae-agreement-palestinians-must

    Why are the Palestinians against Israel having peace with Arab countries ?
    Because they want to stay poor ( "Miskin" in Arabic ) and take our Europian donations forever.
     

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