After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronav

China is ruled by a Communist Dictatorship. It is not responsible to it's citizens. The virus originated in China thus "the China Virus". I had "German measles" when I was young so why don't you lay off the Political Correct Crap in order that you can weaponize this horrible thing. Your hate for President Trump supersedes any good feelings you have for America!

 

@Bowerbird brought it up Saturday and we discussed it a bit. Anyone voicing opinions on this subject ought to read up on it a little. Side effects, dosages, on label uses etc. are easy to find.

 

If you read the risks of any medication you wouldn't take them. Literally billions of doses of hydroxychloroquine have been taken and the side effects are extremely low and rare. Even so, discussion of side effects are for doctor and patient and not for politicians and Trump haters.

 

I agree. What’s really funny to me is the complete lack of concern about reactions to vaccines and the possibility of high failure rates of a vaccine. People are scared of what they are told to be scared of I guess.

 

CDC website drops guidance, anecdotal data on Trump-backed hydroxychloroquine as COVID-19 treatment

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has abruptly switched its guidance for use of a drug touted by President Donald Trump (the New York Times reported that Trump and a close friend of his both have a financial stake in hydroxychloroquine) as a possible treatment for COVID-19, dropping its reference to anecdotal dosages to say simply that there are no approved drugs for dealing with the disease.

The CDC's online advice for hydroxychloroquine was updated April 7, three days after Reuters reported that the CDC was offering what the news agency called "highly unusual guidance" for the drug's use based on "unattributed anecdotes rather than peer-reviewed science."

The updated, and shortened, guidance says simply that "hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are under investigation in clinical trials” for use on coronavirus patients and "there are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."

The CDC originally told Reuters that the earlier guidance was crafted for doctors at the request of a White House coronavirus task force, which had urged prompt action.

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As a sign of the president's influence on the issue, Trump noted this week that the federal government had purchased and stockpiled 29 million pills of the drug. (how nicely $profitable).

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"The CDC is one of the most reliable sources in this country, and their online information is usually very well curated and trustworthy," Bik says, speculating that the CDC might have initially felt pressure "from high-level leadership."

"So it looks as if the CDC is indeed listening and responding to these concerns by changing their statement and removing the recommended dosages," said Bik, who has challenged the findings of a French study of the drug. "I applaud them for doing the right thing."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-website-drops-guidance-anecdotal-165821932.html

 

So just to follow up, the CONSENSUS of expert opinion is - "we just don't know".

 

So that it helps in some cases doesn't matter; we must hurt Trump even if it takes dying to do it.

The idiot in the video went on and on saying that we don't know and used that we don't know to justify an attack on the president for saying, "What do you have to lose?" After all that TDS rage with the "we don't know"s I expected him to quote the President saying it absolutely worked. But, no, the president never once said that; he said maybe, might, could, etc. All equivalent to "we don't know" but combined with "maybe".

The left keeps talking about how Trump should not ever say anything about medicine while they keep talking about medicine. What a bunch of hypocrites.

 

The converse of that is that we must love Trump even it takes dying to do it.

 

How are Trump supporters killing people? Trump haters certainly are.

 

Once again, the left leaps without looking. Since neither you, nor the guy you quoted, provided any concrete details, we have only your word. On the other hand, there is information coming out that indicates the financial involvement to which you and random youtuber you quoted are referring is hidden/blind ownership buried in mutual funds, etc. His great financial rewards are, yes again, a hoax.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-profit-hydroxychloroquine/

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/04/07/fact-check-trump-does-not-own-stake-in-a-hydroxychloroquine-drugmaker/

This must be somewhere around 30 or so fake news hoaxes by those afflicted with TDC who are so excited to attack Trump that they repeat pieces of what they heard without actually hearing, or reading, the whole story.

 

By supporting and defending the mass-murderer-in-chief whose one and only objective is Donald Trump.

 

That's what I thought. You have nothing.

 

you would be certainly thrilled to death if a story came out that Donald and Mike invented Corona virus in their secret lab. You would shout it from the roof tops even if you knew in your heart it was a lie. It would make you very happy wouldn't it.....Bob?

 

The China thing is being used as a method of blaming China - which is totally without merrit. It's not even accurate in that it doesn't differentiate this version of COVID from others or from other flu varients that have been traced to China. It could even be that it didn't actually come from a mutation that happened in China (as if countries control evolution within their borders!).

Beyond that, these names are usually nonsense. The Spannish flu pretty much dodged Spain, and Spain was certainly NOT the source. It was named that becuase the places in Europe where it was serious blocked all news reporting of the flu. So, news got out through Spain.

Rubella was called "German Measels" by some, because a German doctor was the first to describe it in 1740 and two other German doctors studied it. Again, it had nothing to do with where it might have come from.

Trump made up a slang term that is insulting to China and shifts the blame from his failed approach to COVID19.

It was entirely a political decision - and a disgusting and useless name.

 

You just blew any credibility you will ever have on any topic on this or any other online forum.

Even China admitted the virus came from China until they got into a name-calling tit-for-tat with Trump - though Trump was correct and China was (and you are now) lying.

Spain was hit quite hard by the Spanish Flu.

And the news blackouts were not cover for the flu. There was a little matter you're completely ignoring in your falsehood: Europe was in the middle of a world war. But don't let facts get in the way of hatred for Trump.

Your post is, as expected, hypocritical. You might be right that the Spanish flu didn't originate in Spain but, according to the History.com article I linked, it is named that because the news of the flu came from Spain.

So, please tell me... From where did the first news of the China virus come? And, in which country did the first doctor to study the Chinese virus live?

 

And we are still talking about a drug where there is no supporting evidence of a significant in vivo effect

 

Why not call it the correct name?

 

Well, if the posts on THIS forum are a guide then I say they are certainly endangering others

This includes

1. Calls to l”let the virus run its course (after all it is only old people and drains on the economy)
2. Defiance of social distancing
3. Diminution and dismissal of the threat
4. Advocation for an untested treatment

 

What do you mean by significant? Do you mean depth (as in how much in any given case) or breadth (as in the percentage of people it helps)?

In either case, there is enough evidence that it has helped some.

But, let's just assume you're right... What does that mean? Are you saying doctors should not be using it? Are you saying that politicians should be making the decisions to ban its use?

Are you saying that the governor of Nevada was actually trying to save lives when he banned hydroxychloroquine for Wuhan virus? If so, then was he trying to harm prisoners in the Nevada prison system when he hoarded the drug for the prison system?

 

I'm happy to call it by its correct name. Which do you prefer? Wuhan Virus or China Virus?

 

SARS-coV-2 but I am happy with COVID 19 if that is too difficult

 

actually there is very very little evidence that it has helped

A paper published in China where they did trial it found no improvement

Previous studies on other viruses have shown in vitro effect but no in vivo effect and the French study has been discredited

 

So, why do you call it "China virus" and then call it "Chinese virus"? My bet is you are just a little bit better at grammar than is the president. Good for you!!


I absolutely NEVER said that COVID19 didn't come here from China. And, China certainly has stated that - as well as it going to other countries from China.

Spain wasn't hit as hard as other countries, nor was it the source of the flu. The the news blackout concerning flu was put in effect as a way of promoting morale - not as some general blackout for the military. News DOES get out during war if no direct action is taken. Countries had to take specific action to block flu news. During WWII, my relatives here could exchange mail with those in occupied Netherlands. War does not mean no news.

My comments on Spanish Flu are one of two examples of naming that does not take into account the source of the disease OR where it was most prevalent.


I doubt there is any question that COVID19 came here from China. But, there is still work being done on where it originally came from. One theory is bats. Maybe you should call it Bat Flu - like Bird Flu. FAR better yet, it should be called COVID19 or some other name that specifically identifies this virus, as referring to one characteristic is BULL and certainly will not be used historically or in science.

There is NO question that Trump's purpose is no more than political, as he works to clear his own feckless response that leaves the USA so seriously infected.

 

It is the Batman Virus.

 

Why is Trump promoting a specific untested treatment when there are more than 20 such treatments in testing with none of them yet complete??

Does Trump think your doctor is ignorant of what is available???

Does Trump think you should go over your doctor's head, ignoring other treatments?

Is he trying to claim that the recommendations from the CDC (concerning both treatment and necessary nation wide response) can be ignored, since he knows better??