After Syria -> Shia-Superstate under the leadership of Iran

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  1. BEG

    BEG New Member

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    In the Syrian war we see an Unification of all Shia Forces in the Region Hezbollah Lebanon, Iraqis, Iranians...

    the Syrian war has let them to unite, Iranian payed weapons by Russia delivered make an victory of the Assad Regime obvious.

    We will soon after the war seen an establishment of an Union led by Iran, which will also include Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.


    What will be the consequences?
     
  2. skeptic-f

    skeptic-f New Member

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    The Shia are a fairly small minority in Syria. Just what would be the mechanism that would end up with them on top ahead of the Alawites and Christians (the government side) or the majority Sunis (the rebel side)?
     
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    The Alawites are a sect fo Shia. Alawites are Shia
     
  4. BEG

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    Alawites are direct descendants by Ali in theology are they Close to Shia

    in religous practice are Shias and Sunis closer.


    According to PKK sources the Kurdish Peshmergar Fighters have entered Syria (allthough many Kurds are Alawites). The Kurds see their unique opportunity for Independence and a Victory by Assad-Forces would weaken their Position in in Iraq.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think Assad concerns himself with the Kurds. From what I have read, Turkey has armed and allowed the terrorists to enter Syria in order to fight the Syrian Kurds since they had taken over much of the Syrian/Turkey border region. The Shia Iraqis have now entered the fight in Syria as well as Hezbollah, so of course it became worrisome to the Gulf Sunni states. This is probably why Obama is forced to support the rebels.

    No matter how one looks at it, the blood bath can only become worse.
    :frown:
     
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    mrmeangenes New Member Past Donor

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    I believe you are talking about the Iranian led "Shi'a Crescent" or Ummah ,as described by the Ayatollah Khomeini in his Friday sermons.

    He is quoted as saying:" We will export our revolution throughout world...until the calls "There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God" are echoed all over the world."

    Iran has long had a "situational alliance" with Syria -thanks in part to a large Shi'ite population, and in part to an open attitude towrds Syria's ruling Alawites.
     
  7. Abu Sina

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    Khomenie is dead
    All Muslims say لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
    Ummah is Arabic word not Farsi and Iran speaks Farsi
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Alawites are tolerant of all religions. This is why they are supported by the Christians, Shias and even many Sunnis. The Arab Sunnis in Syria are supported by Saudi Arabia and the Turkoman Sunnis by Turkey. Both of them are not exactly known for their tolerance.

    Anyway there is a sectarian war going on between the Sunnis and Shias. The hatred seems to be more on the side of the Arabs towards the Iranians, than the other way around. A Saudi student told a family member that they would kill all the Iranians if they had a chance. :machinegun:
     
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    The consequences of Iran Syrian Lebanon alliance depend on several factors we don't fully know about.

    We do know that the CIA/Mossad put in the Shah, took him out and put in Khoemeni. These same forces conned the Syrians into making an alliance with Iran so as to make the Syrians look bad to the Pavlovized American public that can salivate love or hatred on the turn of a word or a picture.
    So, if all this has been set up by the enemies of Syria and America, what might be next?

    In the dialectics of war you need 2 controlled sides. While the various US regimes refused to accept the Syrian peace offers over the years, pressures and excuses were made to bring Syria into alliance with Iran.

    Now, US & Israeli terrorists are attacking Syria for "democracy". So we may have a classical dialectical situation where both sides are ultimately controlled by hidden interests.
    How things play out depend on whether the Iranians have broken free of the CIA and whether the Syrians have escaped their own internal liabilities that led them into alliance with Iran.
    A few goals of the puppet masters in this game are:
    1. An "Islamic" Caliphate over the whole region that will be a base to take Europe, Russia, America and China.
    2. Maybe a similar "Islamic" Caliphate with an Iranian slant that will ultimately do the same thing.
    3. Nuclear war between the USA and Russia to neutralize them both so that the real party of interest can come to rule the world either under the cover of "Islam" or the Chosen People game.
     
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    and when they are finished with the shia guess what infidel they will come after next
     
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    THe question . I think . we should ask ourselves is , - in whose interest is it / who stands to gain most from the unrest/destruction which we are now witnessing ?

    Is it the Syrian people - or is it external ?

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    well I don't know any Syrian who is benefiting

    in fact we are surrounded by these poor people who are struggling to survive and thankfully the ones I know and the refugee places and people and neighbours I know are doing their best to help them

    my worry is that a few Egyptian shops have closed due to Syrians doing very good business ( which is great and I support) but eventually tensions may rise in that area so we have to spread our money around all of them when we buy even though Syrian mastika gelato and shawerma on shami aish is much better than Egyptian
     
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    If it happens, then I expect the US and the UK will be less able to cause trouble over there.
     
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    Abu - during my several brief visits - to + fro - Beirut - Ash Sham - Halab , at that time , unaware of Shia/Sunni conflicts - my memories are only about the good people I met and their hospitality .

    The news about what's happening there today , saddens me . beyond words. One can only hope that PEACE returns soon and that they bury their differences.

    I repeat - one should ask : Who- which interests , does the present unrest in Syria serve ?
    Who stands to gain most Syria's reconstruction ?

    I every conflict there are losers ( the innocent civilians -cought in crossfire) and the gainers/the profiteers - who are often the instigators .

    Time will tell -

    by which time our minds would have been re- directed onto something else by those powers who control our minds.


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    The Saudis, Qataris, Kuwaitis' interests are being served as part of a greater interested party, the Israelis.
     
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    I'm not sure to what extent Saudis + Gulf states have been duped or stand to gain , but apart from the obvious Israeli interests, Turkish /Greek civil engineering/construction/ Cypriot /Eastern Med etc plus French/British /US- International Financiers shall undoubtedly profit from Syria's reconstruction.

    Like it or not , we live in a world where financial gains./ the financial elite preserving/increasing their wealth is far more important than the lives of masses -average citizens .

    quote :
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    "No matter what political reasons are given for war, the underlying reason is always economic."

    A. J. P. Taylor
     
  17. skeptic-f

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    Lots of paranoia on this thread. I agree that external groups are now sticking their fingers in the Syrian civil war, but it looked like a perfectly chaotic start to the whole mess - where is the evidence of external involvement at that point?
     
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    I'm glad you are so attentive to detail !

    Ummah is indeed an Arabic word---which nobody said or suggested was Farsi; and---the late Ayatollah Khomeini is--(Let's all double check! ) Yes. Still dead.
     
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    Nope,
    the Suni muslims would resist it,
    and it will be very chaotic, They could exist side by side
    with respect and I think they devout themselves with one single GOD(Allah)
    and GOD does not want them to fought with each other.
    I do believe that if ever Abu Bakr and Ali Bin Abu Talib would embrace each
    other as brothers if they do meet.
     

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