One thing that really gets me about these people in Alabama orchestrating this law that will make it a crime for a doctor in Alabama to perform an abortion and all this laws supporters; you all are supposed to be so principled you act like you are saving America from being dragged into hell by us Americans that support a women's right to an abortion for at least limited period of her pregnancy. What gets me about this legislation that wants to treat the doctors that perform the abortions like criminals is the law's proponents lack of courage, their moral inconsistency their attitude we will storm the gates of hell to stop this evil when the reality is they will as long as they don't have to pay a certain price as long as the repercussions aren't too onerous. These anti-abortion zealots here are championing the principle that abortion is a homicide that it is the unjust killing of an unborn person so that the people actually doing the act, injecting the solution into the fetus that terminates the pregnancy or that does whatever the means used, are committing an act of homicide a crime and therefore should be prosecuted for such criminal act. Okay, so you champions of righteousness the value you are promulgating is that the act of an abortion is a homicide so why don't you hold everyone culpable in that homicide criminally it is completely unjust that that you pick this group of people that are culpably involved and mandate they be criminally prosecuted and give this other group that are culpably involved and give them a free pass; it is completely unfair, unjust and unprincipled. What I am referring to here is the women that actually have the abortion not holding them criminally liable but the doctors that do the abortion as such is unjust, it is having two standards it is indefensible from a fairness standpoint. These women are fully culpable in the termination of their pregnancy through the abortion they are fully culpable in the ending of their fetus's life through the abortion procedure; but for them walking into the abortion clinic and presenting themselves for the abortion and consenting to the abortion procedure it would never happen! Let us talk about the issue raised by this point that the anti-abortion advocates supporting this law don't want to talk about. The laws proponents here don't consistently apply the principle they use as the basis for this law because the political fallout from doing so would be too costly, the public outrage against them would be so great it would drive them out of political power in the country and they don't want to pay the price. If these anti-abortion advocates were true to their principles and made it a crime for a women to walk into an abortion clinic and have an abortion then their states would see gut wrenching cases of criminal prosecution. You would see cases of good young women away at college away from home for their first time caught up in the typical college atmosphere of drinking alcohol to excess doing so one night having sex and getting pregnant as a result and having an abortion so their life doesn't blow-up with them having a baby or young families awash in education and other understandable debt where the wife has an abortion because the family simply cannot afford to have a baby at the time such women criminally prosecuted and thrown in jail for such actions would not be tolerated by the majority of citizens in any state the public activism this would spur would get politicians that hold such values thrown out of office and the respective law revoked. The anti-abortion Americans behind this Alabama bill and other unreasonable abortion restrictive laws being produced across America are to a large degree christian conservatives. They believe the bible and the Christian faith calls for the belief that all abortions are immoral all are a violation of the fifth commandment of God "Thou shall not Kill"! Such views are not held by all Christians some of us Christians think that in the early stages of a women's pregnancy this immoral killing issue does not apply. The problem with these anti-abortion Christians is that they know the bible, they know Church dogma, they know christian piety but they don't really know Jesus. Jesus is perfect in everything even in virtue and knowledge. Meaning Jesus is outstanding in compassion he has an outstanding amount of love and care for women that find themselves in these gut wrenching situations where they need to have an abortion which would want to find it a moral act for these women to have their abortion. This coupled with the fact that Jesus is all intelligent which would lead one to seek out what would the maximum use of reason lead one to conclude about whether or not the abortion act is moral. The commandment "thou shall not kill" does that just mean thou shall not kill a unique DNA combination, I hope not scientist are able to make unique DNA combinations at will. No it in good conscience means thou shall not kill a "human person" a "human person". Well when does a human person come into existence is it when that unique DNA combination is created when the human sperm fertilizes the human egg and a clump of unique cells is created what is the difference between that and a like scientist creation in a lab. Let us look at a reverse situation when do we know that an unquestionable person stops being a person the medical profession tells us that when a person is brain dead that person is essentially dead yes machines can keep a persons lungs and heart pumping but when a person is brain dead they aren't coming back to life they will never have any brain function that produces a human effect reasonable people consider indicia of life. The development of human reason would then call for the conclusion that at the earliest a human person comes into existence when the human brain begins operating that being when the fetus is at the stage where it begins having brain waves. Human reason would then indicate that it is not an immoral killing if the abortion takes places during the weeks of pregnancy prior to when the fetus's brain begins operation! It sure would be great for America if we could end this constant battle over abortion which derails us from improving America and the world in so many areas it needs to be improved if we could come to some middle ground where both sides could live with the state of the law on abortion!
Oh, not all of these cases would be gut wrench wrenching... Back to the 40s. Maybe mothers would start telling their daughters to stay away from parties with drugs or lots of alcohol. There is a little something called adoption. (plenty of loving homes and good families available for healthy white babies without any abnormalities, at least)
How about a woman who's already had three abortions and is now planning to abort at 20 weeks? You're trying to make this about religion? How about right and wrong? Justice for the innocent. The law would still allow them to get an abortion if they got one early enough. How about we just make it illegal to get an elective abortion when the fetus is old enough to start sucking its thumb and kicking the mother? Would you agree with that ?
Yeah, like. No one got pregnant in the forties! Like no one got drunk. Women died having back alley abortions or had unwanted children they couldn’t afford to raise and daddy got away without paying a penny Yeah, let women be breeders for people looking to adopt. It so much fun going through pregnancy with all the health risks and then the agony of childbirth so they can give away their child. But of course the father should be forced to have a vasectomy
When the mother feels it kicking she’s in the second trimester. Most abortions are in the first trimester. Women don’t need a quota for the number of abortions. The thumb sucking is a reflex
So what? That doesn't negate what he posted. THAT is hilarious!! Do you actually think there were no abortions until after the 40's? Do you actually think there were no unwanted pregnancies in the 40's ?? Yup, there WERE unwanted pregnancies in the 1940's, and 1840's, and the 1140's and BEFORE that!! You actually think no women warn their daughters NOW? Do you actually think that warning kids about sex works!!!!!! WHY DO YOU BLAME WOMEN FOR BEING RAPED??? HOW many times have you got to be told that for some women adoption is not an option?? NO one has to use their body , suffer the pain and damage pregnancy creates , to provide someone else with a kid WHAT can't you understand about that??? And how do you know the woman will have the perfect white baby?? What if she goes ahead with the pregnancy and it isn't perfect and NO ONE WANTS THE KID? Will YOU adopt them all??? Now, I 'll watch while you carefully avoid all those pertinent, but INCONVENIENT, questions....
If fetuses are a gift of god then according to the latest bill in Alabama then god can clearly be a rapist.
"""Let us talk about the issue raised by this point that the anti-abortion advocates supporting this law don't want to talk about. The laws proponents here don't consistently apply the principle they use as the basis for this law because the political fallout from doing so would be too costly, the public outrage against them would be so great it would drive them out of political power in the country and they don't want to pay the price. If these anti-abortion advocates were true to their principles and made it a crime for a women to walk into an abortion clinic and have an abortion then their states would see gut wrenching cases of criminal prosecution. You would see cases of good young women away at college away from home for their first time caught up in the typical college atmosphere of drinking alcohol to excess doing so one night having sex and getting pregnant as a result and having an abortion so their life doesn't blow-up with them having a baby or young families awash in education and other understandable debt where the wife has an abortion because the family simply cannot afford to have a baby at the time such women criminally prosecuted and thrown in jail for such actions would not be tolerated by the majority of citizens in any state the public activism this would spur would get politicians that hold such values thrown out of office and the respective law revoked.""" (bolding above , mine) Yes, the righties want to appear to be the "compassionate good guy's "" by not prosecuting the woman who asks for, and gets , an abortion. So I guess in Alabama if you hire a hit man and he kills for you, you get off scott free!!!!! They are as compassionate as rapists...
If you were an actress in Hollywood, it was common. My grandmother told me when she was young she had wanted to go try to be an actress in Hollywood (like many young women across the country at that time) but her mother held her back because she didn't want her daughter to get taken advantage of.
FoxHastingsWell-Known Member So what? That doesn't negate what he posted.""""""" THAT is hilarious!! Do you actually think there were no abortions until after the 40's? Do you actually think there were no unwanted pregnancies in the 40's ?? Yup, there WERE unwanted pregnancies in the 1940's, and 1840's, and the 1140's and BEFORE that!! You actually think no women warn their daughters NOW? Do you actually think that warning kids about sex works!!!!!! WHY DO YOU BLAME WOMEN FOR BEING RAPED??? HOW many times have you got to be told that for some women adoption is not an option?? NO one has to use their body , suffer the pain and damage pregnancy creates , to provide someone else with a kid WHAT can't you understand about that??? And how do you know the woman will have the perfect white baby?? What if she goes ahead with the pregnancy and it isn't perfect and NO ONE WANTS THE KID? Will YOU adopt them all??? Now, I 'll watch while you carefully avoid all those pertinent, but INCONVENIENT, questions.... Yes, you certainly did as I predicted( SEE LETTERS BOLDED ABOVE IN RED).....your post here is so irrelevant it's breathtaking!!
You seem to have an easy answer for everything. Trouble is, your answers aren't very good ones for many people whose lives would be involved. 1. How many "gut wrenching" cases would it take to elicit your personal concerns? You sound dismissive of the pain others would be dealing with. 2. Back in the 40's there was no Internet, instant communication around the globe, birth control pills, or diversity of personal beliefs we have today. It was a different world. You wanna advise us to think like our grandparents or great-grandparents did, & that will solve our current problems? Is that why conservatives are so enamored with the past? They've forgotten all the negatives the people then had to deal with? 3. Yes--adoption, as if that were some magical remedy. Those ill-informed Americans think adoption is an answer very nearly equal to having biological parents, but the truth is quite different. Children unfortunate enough to be raised as orphans almost universally, suffer continuous emotion stress & often physical pain due to maltreatment from orphanage staff &/or other orphans. It's generally an existence devoid of love, and often a training ground for dysfunctional adults. 4. Interesting post here. "plenty of loving homes & good families available for healthy WHITE babies without any ABNORMALITIES." That says a lot. What about non-white & those with birth defects or health issues? Wow. Further evidence that those claiming to be Pro-Life, are not. They are really Pro-Fetus, but care little to nothing about babies or children after birth--unless they are WHITE & completely devoid of ABNORMALITIES of course. The Pro-Life stance on abortion is hypocritical, contradictory, heartless & disgusting.
