Alarmists - take you best shot

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  1. dumbanddumber

    dumbanddumber New Member

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    Ok all you alarmists what is wrong with this video where is it misleading where are the lies and propoganda.

    Please tell, ok its koozoo news big deal that dont try to hide the fact that its not main stream, is that the best you got.

    I dont know who goldenskidmarks is are, i dont know what the snake symbolises either, i think the blue pill is from the matrix where he gets given a chance at the truth, or take the red one to wake up in his bed and not remember anything, live in ignorance.

    So do your best please.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBx_WaIE6o4"]Every Australian Should Watch This - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Ziggy Stardust Well-Known Member

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    Not this again, how many times are you going to post this rubbish?

    1. There is a price ceiling and a price floor.
    2. The price will probably drop after it's floated.
    3. If the price goes up, companies can pay to lower their emissions instead of buy permits.
    4. The UN has been around for almost 70 years, hardly a "new" world order.
    5. This is crap from "Goldenskidmarks" and a pay as you go internet advertising studio. Why do you expect anyone to watch this crap?
     
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    culldav Well-Known Member

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    Are you say 31,000 American scientists are WRONG, and we should believe YOU and the biggest pathological LIAR (Ju-liar) this country has ever known?

    LOL LOL LOL I think I know who I will be putting MY trust and faith in...
     
  5. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust Well-Known Member

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    Oh yes, how many of those 31,000 supposed scientists are climatologists? 39 apparently, yup... 39. I know many people with a BoS, none of them have any more knowledge of climate science than the average person. That petition by the Oregon Institute is pretty dam dodgy anyway. Who knows how many of those credientials are true, how many of the people exist and are still alive, whether they still agree with it (it was started well over 10 years old), etc.

    Are you saying that the national academies of all the G8 countries, any many others, including our own, are wrong? Are you saying that NASA is wrong?

    In any case it's redundant, because the ETS is risk management, not a confirmation of climate science. If one of these 39 climatologists who signed the petition can show that AGW is wrong, in a proper scientific peer reviewed paper, great, fantastic, hurry up and do it already. WTF are they waiting for?
     
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    Agw The Biggest Scam Ever In The History Of Man.
     
  7. dumbanddumber

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    You know what the really worrying thing to come out of all this is, that people like yourself actually think that farming carbon credits and derivatives on the stock exchange will some how clean up manmade pollution.

    TWITS - is a nice way to describe your mentality i guess and thats being kind.

    BTW ziggy who wrote all that malarkey that CO2 causes global warming, but hold on we are going into a cooling period right now.

    So they changed it to climate change.

    But hold on climate change has been around since day dot.

    Remember what the Earth was like when it first formed with poisonous gases and valcanos all over the place.

    Climate change is real and no tax will ever change that.

    Well ziggy we will see.

    Getting back on topic WELL WHAT IS IN THIS VIDEO THAT IS SO WRONG!!!!!!

    Please tell someone anyone.
     
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    You beat me to it - I also want to know how buying and selling pollution in an never ending cycle is going to help clean up the planet... Sounds like the main aim of this carbon scheme is to make some people extremely rich and alot of people poor. Welcome bacl to the good o'l days... LOL
     
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    Anyone who even claimed to have a tertiary education could sign the "Oregon Petition" I did it myself back when it was open online - mind you I signed it as "Ned Kelly" but they did accept the electronic input


    http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/what-if-the-oregon-petition-names-were-real/
     
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    Sorry but who said we are going into a cooling period??

    Must have been Alan Jones commenting on his love life.........
     
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  12. Ziggy Stardust

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    Oh wow, dumber is calling me a "twit" because I agree with the productivity commission, NASA, CSIRO, IPCC, John Howard, Malcolm Turnbull, the national science academies of all the G8 countries, our own national science academy, 191 states that have signed the Kyoto Protocol, etc.

    And he is apparently enlightened because "Koozzoo News", Alan Jones, the "Galileo movement" and "GoldenSkidmark" have educated him about climate change and an ETS.

    So let's see, either it's a giant conspiracy involving thousands of scientists and scientific academies and 191 governments. Or Koozzoo News and Alan Jones are full of (*)(*)(*)(*). Which is the more likely scenario do you reckon?

    Sweet, Jesus, Christ.

    If I want an opinion on Climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, I won't ask a bloody doctor, a mechanical engineer, or anyone else that has exactly NO expertise in the field, at all. 30,961 of those names on the petition, presuming they're all real people, all alive, and all have the qualifications they claim to have, are completely meaningless other than as a poll of ordinary citizens opinions.

    Have you read Garnaut's reports? Have you read the productivity commissions reports? Have you read the government's policy? No, you haven't. So I'm not bloody surprised you have no idea how it works.

    AGW is fecking CLIMATE CHANGE. The words have never been "changed", they have always meant the same dam thing and they've always been used in the proper way.
     
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    Yeah - as you say, it is a pretty finely balanced debate at the moment. I am reserving my judgement until I hear the opinion of Pippa Middleton's arse.
     
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    That is beautifully put. I may take the liberty of requoting you.
     
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    These morons advocating this carbon tax is the greatest thing since "sliced bread" still don't have a clue about the dangers involved with "high rollers" dealing in the finance of buying and selling pollution. Buying and selling pollution. Who would have ever though this would/could logically ever happen to the human society. I seriously though that humanity learnt a valuable lesson through the mistakes that occured during the dark ages for this to ever happen again. Mankind lost 400 years of scientifice and technological knowledge & advancement thanks to the Catholic church wanting to dominate humanity for its own selfish greedy purposes through forcing people to believe in incorrect science and doctrine, if memory serves me correctly.

    Seriously, don't you people get it? Buying and selling pollution is not going to stop or even clean up the planet from carbon pollution, its just another way for the rich to get richer, because they are buying and selling something that is completely INANIMATE and doesn't exist, and what do they do with all the credits at the end of the day, sell them to aliens>

    What going to happen to the person that ends up with a piece of paper in credits sayig he/she has 500billion tons of carbon dioxide to get rid of - Oh, thats right, they will just shread the paper. LOL LOL


    LOL LOL LOL


    I know Australians are not the shiniest penny's in the jar, but IQ's have certainly slipped since the "white Australia" policy stopped.
     
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    Wow, just... wow.

    Co2 is "INANIMATE and doesn't exist". I suppose much the same way that currency is "INANIMATE and doesn't exist", or that radiation poisoning is "INANIMATE and doesn't exist", etc, etc.

    National academies of science are apparently akin to the "Catholic Church" in the "dark ages", where "Mankind lost 400 years of scientifice and technological knowledge & advancement thanks to the Catholic church"... our education system obviously failed culldav. :frown:

    And to top it off, he wants to bring back the White Australia Policy because he thinks coloured people bring down the average national IQ. :no:

    Dear oh dear...
     
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    I know I know - there are some who even if you have not made up your mind about an issue, you just know you do not want to be anywhere near what they have decided is right for the world

    Alan Jones is my example - I really want to be on the other side of any issue he is spouting and if I ever find myself agreeing with him - I just have to take a shower

    EeeeeeeeeeeWWWWWWW!!
     
  18. dumbanddumber

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    AGW is a scam wake up FFS.

    Some minor corrections

     
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    lol, Wow! Gotta say, I didn't see that one coming. Well done dumber. Fascists AND communists now, amazing!

    As for you little dabble in mathematics, what exactly do you think you've achieved there? Think you'll find Bugs was being ironic, lol.
     
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    Sad but true ziggy.

    If you believe that farming carbon credits and selling them as derivatives on the stck exchange will do anything to clean up our Earth from manmade pollution then you will believe anything.

    Well ziggy on a sheet that is 2 metres square representing the whole atmosphere of the Earth the total amount of manmade CO2 is just a dot and insignificant.
     
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    Aha, but your analogy is totally stupid because the 3% is cumulative, and per year. And the fact that greenhouse gases are a small % of the total atmosphere is entirely irrelevant. A tumor is a tiny % of your body mass, does that make it insignificant? No. Stop talking bollucks, leave climate science to the CLIMATE SCIENTISTS. Politicians have NO BUSINESS at all, to reject the position of our NATIONAL SCIENCE ACADEMY. Even Tony Abbott reluctantly accepts there position. Anyone who rejects it is just an idiot. If some CLIMATE SCIENTIST publishes peer reviewed work that disproves AGW, great, fantastic, excellent, hoorah! Until that time, we fecking respect our scientists. We would not reject science on any other subject, like medicine for instance, so we'll not set a precedent for ignoring them now. Unless we want moronic idiots like Alan Jones running the dam country. Stop being an idiot! You don't know better than scientists, it's not a conspiracy, Alan Jones is not an authority on ANYTHING.
     
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    AGW = science taylored to the views of the banking cartels and their corporations.

    And you guys believe it?

    Why not look at the whole picture, instead of opening your mouths to be spoon fed like little infants by your moma the IPCC.

    Read this.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/26/co2-ice-cores-vs-plant-stomata/

    I'm still waiting for one of you guys to show me where the information in this video is wrong or misleading or a down right lie!
     
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    well since no one is contesting the content of the video in the OP then i'm assuming you alarmists must agree with it.
     
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    Bugs we have already had this discussion about CFC's and the ozone layer.

    To refresh your memory if the ozone layer was compressed to ground level it would form a ball all the way around the earth that was three millimeters (3mm) thick so ofcourse CFC's are going to have an effect on the ozone layer there's not that much of the stuff to start with.

    The other thing is all those nuclear bomb test that were happening all over the world including Australia put some rather big holes in the ozone layer.

    You know when i was a kid i would play at the park all day long and sure i might have gone a little red from exposure but that would have been from being in the sun 6 to 8 hours.

    Try that for one hour these days and you will be a tomatoe.

    Anyway getting back to the point, with these great holes in our ozone layer dont you think the sun stirs up the ocean abit more now to release CO2 into the atmosphere?

    Why haven't the IPCC said anything about this then!

    And my last question why did the british come down under to test their bombs and blow a big hole in our ozone layer.

    Why didn't they blow them up over there?
     
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    I think Ziggy has already addressed this nonsense:

     

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