Alcohol is a hard drug (here's why it should be illegal-it's a hard drug)

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  1. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Well-Known Member

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    alcohol poisoning-people overdose on the drug alcohol just like with hard drugs
    the drug alcohol is physically addictive with horrible physical side effects from withdrawal, just like hard drugs

    Why isn't alcohol considered a hard drug, and made illegal because of that? Alcohol is a dangerous drug.

    You see how I called alcohol a "drug". It is a drug and for the sake of serious discussion it should be viewed as such. Don't let its social acceptability make you think "it's just a beverage".

    Why isn't alcohol classified as a hard drug? It has more in common with hard drugs than it does with tobacco.
     
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    All alcohol is a dangerous drug except for my brand of red Merlot. Red Merlot has anti-oxidents, is good for the heart and helps a person simply relax after a good...or bad...meal. Plus, studies have shown that moderate drinkers live longer, are happier and healthier. I'm am sure they used Merlot in the study. :)
     
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    We should stigmatize it, but not make it illegal. Making it illegal will not solve anything, it would make criminals out of everyday Americans and people would drink regardless. Alcohol is a drug, but if it was illegal people would try it and realize that they did not explode from drinking it, which would lead them to think that other illegal drugs were also not that bad. Having alcohol made illegal would increase drug consumption of all other drugs and it would turn millions and millions of our youth and citizens into criminals.
     
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    Then what would college students and football fans use as a excuse to fight and whore around without blaming themselves?
     
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    Alcohol clears the system totally in a fairly limited time. If I drink today, in two days there will be no trace of it in my body. Can't say the same about tobacco or marijuana. Banning alcohol was a failed experiment about 90 yrs ago. Read about it.
     
  6. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Well-Known Member

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    Well, I'll be a little bit more specific. The main topic of this thread is not me arguing for the prohibition of alcohol. It's about whether or not alcohol should be classified as a harder drug or as a soft drug, or not.

    With marijuana and tobacco, you can't overdose on those substances. However, with alcohol, a person can die from an alcohol overdose. Just like how people die from heroin overdoses, or cocaine or meth overdoses, people overdose on alcohol too. So, why isn't classified as a harder drug, if it has the risk of an overdose, and also because alcohol withdrawal symptoms are just as bad as heroin withdrawals, if not even worse. Alcohol should be classified as a harder drug, IMHO. Do you agree or disagree with me?
     
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    I disagree on practical grounds. Alcohol is too easy to make to restrict much more than how we restrict it now. Addiction to alcohol takes years to develop.
     
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    The Amazing Sam's Ego Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Addiction to alcohol can occur just after one drink. I read that somewhere. If alcohol withdrawal symptoms are so horrible, they're actually even worse than the heroin withdrawal symptoms, why isn't alcohol considered to be a harder drug?
     
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    Amazing Sam...

    ... your premise is basically sound...

    ... alcohol is a progressively addictive substance...

    ... it can and often does lead to effects such as fetal alcohol syndrome if the mother drinks during pregnancy...

    ... delerium tremors (the DT's) in advanced stages...

    ... and fatal alcohol poisoning due to binge drinking...

    ... as well as a host of other family and social problems such as fatal DUI crashes.

    Obviously our present system suffers from a lack of discipline both at the personal and societal levels in dealing with the problems of alcohol.
     
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    The great majority of people who drink alcohol never get physically addicted. The same can't be said of heroin. Also, it's impossible to stop alcohol, so why bother. We saw the negative effects of the last time we tried to ban alcohol.

    Now, Sam, be honest, the main reason you're bringing this up is your love for marijuana.......
     
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    "here's why it should be illegal"

    Nope. We tried it and it failed miserably.
     
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    perhaps this thread should have been named "Alcohol is a hard drug (here's why hard drugs should be legal - because alcohol is)"
     
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    A law is only as good as the ability to enforce it.
     
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    The Amazing Sam's Ego Well-Known Member

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    Well, what makes you think that the consumption of hardcore drugs would increase in this country is alcohol was just suddenly illegalised? There's no evidence that supports that. Alcohol prohibition in the 1920s did not lead to an increase in the usage of cocaine and heroin, so nope, that's just some invalid arguments.

    What exactly do you mean by "we should just stigmatize alcohol"? How exactly would that worked?
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right...
    :grandma:
    ... dey don't call it hard liquor...

    ... fer nuthin'.
    :omg:
     
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    Alcohol is a deadly, physically addictive drug which is the world's leading risk factor for death among males aged 15-59. Marijuana is an herb which has never killed anyone in the history of earth.
     
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    What the why not legalise all drugs so therefore controlling them ?

    Please don't give the "moral" reason as it is a cover for Parents that Rape their own Children and who then go on to be Heroine addicts .

    Yep, its true Heroine kills pain emotional as well as Physical. Little Fredy or Nancy usually find Heroine attractive to attempt to escape the emotional scares of Mummy and daddy dearest,

    So where the son don't shine with the moral rationale , of continuing a 'War on Drugs " started by TOTALLY discredited Corrupt hypocrite .

    Disgraced President Tricky Dicky Nixon.

    Its failed the War on drugs is a War on Society's most vunerable. If it makes no sense its because it is a Lie ,and the War on Drugs makes no sense.

    P.s

    The Gangster Model fits right in with Capitalism 2013. Police let the trade continue BTW, the Jails are filled to burst because of THE WAR ON DRUGS by Nixon circa 1970.
     
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    Hey well said !

    I can go with that as Alcohol is a real destroyer more then all the 'Illegal drugs combined ' as it is THE ONLY LEGAL socially acceptable [and even then restricted ] we humans in some Nations can get .

    Them Alcohol Junkies are thick on the ground or beating up his wife and kids .

    Heroine users if getting the junk are very passive as it calms them .

    Potheads well no Pot fuelled Violence sorry never met a violent Pot head.

    Violent Drunks on the other hand are PLENTIFUL.
     
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    The Amazing Sam's Ego Well-Known Member

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    Some drugs should not be legalized, such as ecstasy. People die of heart attacks, seizures, their bodies overheating, etc, just from taking ecstasy one time.

    Legalizing marijuana is one thing, but legalizing harder drugs is a crazy idea.
     
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    Everyone has a stake in ending the war on drugs. Whether you’re a parent concerned about protecting children from drug-related harm, a social justice advocate worried about racially disproportionate incarceration rates, an environmentalist seeking to protect the Amazon rainforest or a fiscally conservative taxpayer you have a stake in ending the drug war. U.S. federal, state and local governments have spent hundreds of billions of dollars trying to make America “drug-free.” Yet heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and other illicit drugs are cheaper, purer and easier to get than ever before. Nearly half a million people are behind bars on drug charges - more than all of western Europe (with a bigger population) incarcerates for all offenses. The war on drugs has become a war on families, a war on public health and a war on our constitutional rights.

    Many of the problems the drug war purports to resolve are in fact caused by the drug war itself. So-called “drug-related” crime is a direct result of drug prohibition's distortion of immutable laws of supply and demand. Public health problems like HIV and Hepatitis C are all exacerbated by zero tolerance laws that restrict access to clean needles. The drug war is not the promoter of family values that some would have us believe. Children of inmates are at risk of educational failure, joblessness, addiction and delinquency. Drug abuse is bad, but the drug war is worse.
    Few public policies have compromised public health and undermined our fundamental civil liberties for so long and to such a degree as the war on drugs. The United States is now the world's largest jailer, imprisoning nearly half a million people for drug offenses alone. That's more people than Western Europe, with a bigger population, incarcerates for all offenses. Roughly 1.5 million people are arrested each year for drug law violations - 40% of them just for marijuana possession. People suffering from cancer, AIDS and other debilitating illnesses are regularly denied access to their medicine or even arrested and prosecuted for using medical marijuana.

    Prohibition is a well documented, abject failure. It corrupts law enforcement, eliminates quality control, subjects otherwise law-abiding citizens to arrest, prosecution and imprisonment for what they do in private, creates underground markets operated by criminals and marked by violence, destroys families, wastes law enforcement resources, increases violence, and violates the fundamental rights of privacy and personal autonomy that are guaranteed by our Constitution.
     
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    Alcohol is different from drugs for several reasons. First off, alcohol is a poison. When you die of alcohol it is not of alcohol over dose. It is of alcohol poisoning. When someone uses heroin it is not called heroin poisoning. It is called over dose. Alcohol does not affect your body the way a drug does. It affects your body the way a poison does. It constricts the functioning of the nervous system most importantly. There are also 3 reasons why alcohol is and should be legal. 1- It has been used forever and was actually safer to drink than water at certain times. 2- We already tried to ban alcohol before and it did not go well. 3- You can drink 1 alcoholic beverage and be completely fine. 1 line of coke, 1 dose of heroin, 1 joint all messes you up.

    I would agree that weed and shrooms be legalized if people in this country could be trusted with it but by looking at how fanatic people get over it, I say no.
    And just for the people who dont think weed is addictive. Most people who smoke it dont stop. They are like regular nicotine addicts. Say they are stopping and then doing it again a week later. Anything that a human being can find pleasure in is addictive whether it is alcohol,weed,food,video games, sex, etc.
    Also for the people who think weed isnt related to violence. How many people have been killed over drugs? I have witnessed lots of arguments over weed that have led to violence. plus if you look at the most violent parts of the middle east or africa you will notice there isnt a bar anywhere near. I would say that those parts of the world are more violent than anywhere here in america and they dont drink. they do smoke alot though. How about Kingston, Jamaica. That is one of the most violent places on the earth and a huge hub city for weed as well.
     

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