Alex Jones ordered to pay $45.2M to parents of Sandy Hook victim

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    Too funny!

    TWO separate people who knew Jones when he was very young said he was always tweaked. He claimed he had memorized the entire bible and would often speak in tongues.

    And...he could stick his tongue out and make it turn black. LOL! WTF. Sounds like a child of satan.

    He was run out of town due to his violent behavior.

    His ex wife says he isn't normal. LOL! No sht!
     
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  2. The Ant

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    Ummm….and there are more cases pending. Wanna bet a pretty fair slice of that “worth” is gonna disappear…?
     
  3. AmericanNationalist

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    It's not an excuse, though this is a civil court, civil courts are still governed by the US Constitution which explicitly prohibits excessive and cruel and unusual punishment. Were I his defense attorney, I would immediately appeal and compare to other libel lawsuits that were similar, and settled for likely much less.
     
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    What excessive cruel and unusual punishment? Does he have to part with some money of his? God forbid, heaven help us here.

    there may be a technicality on the punitive damages in the State Constitution of Texas, but that's it.
     
  5. AmericanNationalist

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    The point, that your sarcasm might've missed is that the judgment might be WAY OVER what other libel judgments had been in the past, especially pertaining to a topic such as false identity or slander of one's identity or life status, etc.
     
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    But that still does not meet the cruel and unusual punishment though.

    As I said, there may be a technicality with the punitive amount, but that is the State Constitution, not federal.

    You want to try this again?
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    He made them targets of a whole army of crazies and he kept it up for several months. He did this by specifically attacking their reputations and even placing them in actual physical danger. He should lose every penny he has and rot in prison until every maligned parent forgives him in writing
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I'm not that sure that the Constitution applies to Equity.

    And this award amount is far from unusual. Given the actual damage Jones's calumny may have caused to all the parents I think it's not enough.
     
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    You don't think it's cruel or unusual to lose nearly half of 100 million due to slander? I think again if I were an attorney and took this case to court, I could argue it's very cruel and unusual. The key is that I'm not contesting the defendant's guilt, I'm contesting the remedy prescribed by the court as unconstitutional on its face.
     
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    Hopefully he'll end up in jail for his multiple counts of perjury.
     
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    Thats not what I asked you. Did you not understand the question, or are you trying to dodge it?
     
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    How is the judgement cruel and unusual? There are posters here saying Alex Jones has a huge net worth and this won't affect him financially at all.
     
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    Net worth be damned, there's a need to follow procedure because we are a nation of laws. If something is unprecedented in scope,especially by the level of magnitude in which this jury decision was the appeal would be rather obvious. And the Judge was equally as neglectant, as her statement basically amounts to her shrugging her shoulders like 'not my problem'

    It IS her problem, it's her freaking court room. *sigh*. The Justice system is in shambles. When and how did it break down?
     
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    I answered your question, seems like you just did not like that answer, lol
     
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    The question was if you knew what Jones said about the parents personally. You cited what he's accused of saying about the shooting. Thats not even similar.

    I assume that means no, you dont know what he said about the parents personally, but you're happy he's being punished for it anyway. Go ahead and prove me wrong by quoting what it is Jones said to 'attack the parents.'
     
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    I answered your question, telling the victims parents of murdered children they faked their child's death..... is sick
     
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    How is the justice system in shambles? Is Jones' not allowed to appeal? Is it this judge's particular job to hear the appeal and did the judge deny it?
     
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    The judge didn't deny it per se, or hear the appeal. Rather her response to what the defense raised was some soliloquy that didn't make any sense about how the laws vest it in the juries, and 'all of a sudden' they don't trust the juries. I think one of the problems pre-dating the Trump era is the arrogance these judges have. For those moments that they perform their duties as a judge, they think of themselves as some overseer, but once the robes come off they're back to being a normal human.

    No job is more hypocritical, and the justice system invites hypocrisy all abound. If one views the justice system as a fair and neutral arbiter, one can't help but feel that it was a view based on blind optimism and little more than that.
     
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    I mean, Hitler was worth more than all of us before he died. Even before accounting for inflation.
     
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    2 separate incidents.

    Jones is most certainly responsible for inciting the violence against those victims families. Jones is the most vile person on the planet.
     
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    You think it was kindness that Jones exuded for those victims families by making false accusations after their children were killed.

    Your sense of justice is as warped as Jones.
     
  22. AmericanNationalist

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    No I don't think it was kind, and my sense of justice is fairness according to the constitution. Not a punishment that might be excessive given the deed.
     
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    If it was my family he attacked in such a manner, I would have a more personal interest in seeing Jones suffer more. For what Jones did, he got off light.
     
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    Texas permits civil awards of punitive damages.

    The whole point of punitive damages is to punish the conduct of the defendant. To discourage him and others from behaving in that way in the future.

    That’s what Texas law permits.
     
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    It is very bad to make law on the basis of something someone does not understand .. simply because you don't like the person in question ... as that would be the actions of a "dangerous lunatic" .. do you not agree ?

    This ruling is complicated - and begs difficult questions .. have you considered any of these questions mate ?
     

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