Alimony is unfair and immoral. Prove me wrong.

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Jacque Kinsman is 70 years old, a mother of three and divorced since 1996. She was receiving lifetime alimony payments from her ex, until she was called to court last July.

    "I was served with a paper informing me he was taking me back to reduce or eliminate alimony. It's unfair." said Kinsman.


    http://www.wcvb.com/money/new-alimony-reform-law-called-unfair-by-some-exspouses/21871794

    Forget about the insane cases where an x-wife gets $1 billion unearned dollars from her multi-billionaire husband simply for being his wife.

    I'm talking about the average father of two whose stay-at-home wife suddenly decides to leave. If he wasn't abusing her or being unfaithful, but it was just an amicable divorce, why on Earth do the courts still force the man to give up a certain percentage of his income to her for a long period of time, or life as in the case I linked ?

    If feminists demand equal rights, why aren't they fighting to level this injustice ? They seem to believe women deserve free money for nothing.

    Child support is one thing (although even there the courts are very bias against men), but if a divorce takes place, on what grounds can a woman claim she has a right to a lifetime or even a few years of alimony ?

    It's 2015 and if you're not happy in a marriage you are free to leave and find your own damn way to make money
     
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    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    The only cases I could see it as fair if the wife got it long enough to train for a job and get one OR if the wife is disabled. But its should go both ways of the man is disabled and the wife well off then she should support him. That is why people should have good pre-nuptial agreements to cover this.
     
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    Tram Law Banned

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    Feminists aren't about true equality and fairness under the law. It's all about women are superior to men mentality.
     
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    The old screwing you get for the screwing you got scenario
     
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    smallblue Well-Known Member

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    So consevatives believe women shouldn't work and stay home as a homemaker in a marriage and then when the husband ditches her for another woman, the wife who now has nothing but 20 years of experience cooking dinner, cleaning, and raising children should just fend for her self as a Walmart greeter at the age of 40.
     
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    Feminists are all about equality until it comes time for equality, then they are wholey committed to female supremacy.

    Why should the spouse be responsible for the other's well being post divorce period?

    You get divorced, the gravy train ends. Pretty simple.

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    Or when she leaves him for another man, why should the husband owe her a dime?
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    [video=youtube_share;JRHlDEPiA78]http://youtu.be/JRHlDEPiA78[/video]
     
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    If she remarries then no more alimony. Point is the reason why it exists in the first place is that in the event of a divorce in which one party was a home maker, they are not out on the street because they chose the raise the children while the other party built a career. Obviously this used to be much more prevelant and yet another reason why women should NOT be home makers, especially if they will not get alimony in the event of a divorce.
     
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    The man goes to work to pay for the bills. Being a wife is essentially her job. If she chooses to quit his job, or gets fired, no more pay. If he chooses to quite his job, or gets fired, no more pay.

    Pretty simple. Feminists are all about equality until it comes to actually being treated equally.
     
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    Friend of mine had his wife divorce him and he was ordered to pay alimony. Aside from being barely able to pay rent and eat much more than Roman noodles for eight years, he got by.

    She was not a stay at home wife, she was not a homemaker, an artist just like him, yet she still received $1,000 a month to do little or nothing as he busted his ass eating his noodles in a tiny one bedroom apartment.

    So I am not going to believe for a moment than the only women who receive alimony are those who are simply homemakers.
     
  11. raytri

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    ^^This.^^

    The courts recognize that there are many different ways to contribute to a marriage. It's not just the money. That wife staying at home may well be what allowed the husband to advance in his career, working long hours, traveling a lot, moving all over the country, whatever. Courts recognize that marriage is a partnership, and like any partnership, success is shared.
     
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    Child support is fair. Alimony is robbery, depending on circumstances. Such as a spouse paying for another spouse's education etc... They deserve to be paid back.
     
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    Actually, sometimes women are the ones who pay alimony. However men are usually not the one who gives up a career in a marriage.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    And men should not receive alimony either.
     
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    Like all movements of this kind they are not about equality but taking the most of what they can, the real equality will come out only with an opposed movement made by men who wish to discuss the hot matters, expecially those involving children and money partiture. The problem is that we men are much less likely to create a gender movement because we have our masculine pride... in other words we don't like the idea to demand things to women and we are more individualistic as a gender. Maybe it is time to wake up a little...
     
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    What do you expect from many who are about hypocrisy and lies?
     
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    Actually the reasoning for alimony was that because t5he man is the primary breadwinner the woman would be hit with financial hardship.

    Unfortunately, because of greedy power junkie pos, it got abused and used to put down men.

    When a man and a woman divorce, there should be no more obligation to each other, especially when the other is making more money or is married again or both.
     
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    I have my kids, don't receive child support, and still have to pay alimony. How's that for fair?
     
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    It's not, but the whole notion of another person's income being subject to another's usage is flat out wrong. I'd like to break the whole thing. It is the responsibility of the parents to take care of the child, and it's the responsibility of the parents to ensure a child's welfare. It's not the responsibility of the State, nor is it the responsibility of a single Individual, but it's the responsibility of the family unit.

    A woman should have her right to Self-Determinism, and a man should have his right to the same. Neither right shall be canceled out. In today's world, where the base wages are about equal it should be expected that a single parent can take care of a child.(Theoretically anyway, obviously work, gas expenses, etc. Various circumstances is what makes it next to impossible.)

    Ailmony or Divorce rulings do nothing to help this, but antagonize male and female and end up ruining relationships beyond repair. We must think of a new way to secure the child, while allowing the individual human being to live as he/she chooses.
     
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    Unless she gets married in another state and keeps it a secret.
     
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    It takes a good attorney to keep your alimony payments low or even non-existent. My little brother got divorced years ago and his wife got zero alimony payments; all he had to do was pay child support. But he had a good attorney working for him.
     
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    Oh, yeah, happens a lot, doesn't it? And I love the "I gave up my career to sit by the swimming pool and drink with my friends." It's right up there with teachers saying, "If I worked in the private sector I'd make $200,000 a year.

    My wife and I were seeing a marriage counselor. I kept asking my wife to tell me what she wanted so I could say whether or not I could do it. So, one day she said, "Okay, I want you to live somewhere else and support me and the kids." I said, "Two out of three isn't bad. I'll live somewhere else, support the kids, and you can get a friggin' job." As I drove off she was screaming, "That isn't what I wanted."
     
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    That's called fraud.

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    Why did you marry such a loser?
     
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    who says that alimony is only paid to women and not men?
     
  25. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BINGO ! Feminists and pro-alimony people act like divorced women are unable to find jobs. They realize they don't have to because their poor x-husbands send them a monthly check. I know of an ER doctor who's wive decided to leave their marriage. He pays her over $12,000 a month in child support and alimony. She doesn't work, lives in a huge condo, and is completely living off of his hard earned money. And what did she do to earn it ? She was married to him for 15 years, that's it. It is completely immoral.
     

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