Am I responsible for the actions of those in the past?

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  1. Robert E Allen

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    I agree, to that end I'd say that Native Americans were treated much more harshly than Africans and are much more "deserving " of reparations, and they are a community much more in need, particularly the Sioux out at Pine Ridge.
     
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    Bigotry will never go away, it will just morph into a different kind of bigotry.
    I listen to these people who are "forging ahead for our country", protecting the downtrodden and in the next breath spew hate for those who don't agree or label them with a new stereotype. yay progress! :angel:
     
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    Sure you regard him as white ...LOL
     
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    Yeah being brought over in chains and ripped apart from their families and sold and beaten and considered not human was just as harsh....different but both equally disgusting
     
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    You can credit Trump with this new bigotry. Never in my lifetime has a president deliberately divided the country. Never in my lifetime have I heard a president repeatedly bash those who don’t agree with him. Yes there is a new stereo type a Trump fan. He has stereotyped because he said he loves the un educated Who would defend him if he shot someone on fifth Avenue. Trump sure knows his base
     
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    You didn't read what I wrote, did you. Else you'd have seen the word 'mocking'.
     
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    Are you saying Obama did it accidentally?

    Well I mean, we knew he was an idiot .. but THAT stupid? I guess it's one explanation.
     
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    Yes too bad Africans sold their fellow men into slavery to whites.
     
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    What did he do that divided the country racially? Do you really think that Obama wanted to divide the country racially? Yeah Obama was really an idiot. Top honors at Harvard without a rich daddy getting him in
     
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    That’s as silly as saying bad Christians they gave the Jews to the Nazis.
     
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    No you weren’t really mocking because you are saying he shouldn’t consider himself one or the other. If you saw Obama on the street he would be just another black guy. If he lived in the south in the past where would he sit on the bus? He has lived the indignities of being black something we don’t know about
     
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    Huh?

    Africans rounded up other Africans and sils them to others.. Europeans and Americans were not down in Africa rounding up slaves They pulled into port, went to slave markets and bought them.
    Still disgusting but it was part of the African economy, not something imposed on Africans by Europeans and Americans.
    The slave trade long predates European American involvement.

    Here is a better analogy for you. Blaming America for slavery is like blaming a stoner for the work of the drug cartels. It's absolutely true but the cartels will just go get another customer.
     
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    You should know if you ever go to the Holocaust Museum how the Christians took part in turning in the Jews . Does that mean that what the Nazis did was OK? We took slaves from Africa and we enslaved them and tortured them and denied them humanity.we did that!
    Your analogy is not valid
     
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    Say we all you want but i did none of those things.
    Any Christian who helped the Nazis is guilty and most likely no longer among the living and is currently seeing justice.

    My analogy is perfect. American slave owners took advantage of an existing market for a product that they never should have been involved with because it was human suffering.
     
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    Exactly. So you didn't get it at all.
     
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    There were hundreds of thousands of Christians who took part. Read about Kristallnacht and learn about how Jews had to wear armbands and we’re beaten up on the streets..and people did nothing! I just saw this upsetting video at the HolocaustMuseum by people who were survivors and how their neighbors would loot their apartments. These weren’t Nazis these were just good Christians
    We had good Christian slave owners also and we had a good Christians watch black people segregated and put in inferior schools and denied entrance into restaurants having to sit on the back of the bus and being defined as less than human. Do you think these internalize messages just disappear because they become illlegal
     
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    I get it...you don’t...When you see an obvious black man on the street do you see him as a black man or do you say, “I wonder if he has a white parent” New York City had a black mayor named Dinkins, I remember he once said, “when I walk out on the street I’m just another N*****”
    Remember segregation? Do you think you would be sitting in the front of the bus? Do you think you would be allowed in restaurants for whites only?
     
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    I think they have almost entirely disappeared yes.
     
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    Perhaps you should learn about all the hate groups that are popping up in numbers never seen before. The fact that you don’t even realize that makes my point
     
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    Well you'll have to tell me who those hate groups are, because of your extreme views i imagine at least some of those groups are not hate groups at all. You are correct though hate groups have been growing, especially groups that hate the police.
     
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    white supremacist groups are growing and there are thousands of members in them but it doesn’t matter because you won’t believe it anyway. Let me guess you’re a white man. My friend is a black CEO and getsstopped by the cops a couple of times a year because he drives an expensive car and lives in the Hamptons. He gets less upset about it than I do because he’s used to it . He doesn’t hate the police .
    https://www.counterextremism.com/content/guide-white-supremacy-groups
     
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    Y the way the SPL includes black hate groups alao
     
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    BLM is hate groups. They knowingly spread lies about the police.
    For example "hands up don't shoot"
    The propogation of that lie promoted violence against the police.
     
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    What is the SPL?
     
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    All this talk of reparations is just a distraction and a ploy for votes.
    We need to focus on helping people according to their need and make sure that "help" is building independence.
    Leave out who has suffered the worst or well have 80% of the country scrambling for DNA tests and putting their hand out. lol
     

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