Am I that homophobic man that refuses to change or accept?

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I could easily accept someone who was "non-binary" (as that term applies in the simplest possible way), but most often the individuals who adopt that moniker drastically overcompensate or pump themselves up full of opposite-gender hormones which is kind of freaky.

    If you choose to present yourself in "non-binary" clothes (dress that is gender neutral), that is a very different thing from a man dressing up in provocative or over-the-top female clothing.
    Oh, and then the butch females with buzz cut short hair and tattoos are just as bad.
    It is a kind of complicated topic, and there are many specific things these people do that could be addressed.
    What I mean is that theoretically there is a way to do it, but the majority of them do not pull it off very well.
     
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    Unless you want the law to intervene, this really isn't about civil rights. This is just about what you personally find appealing.
     
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    Biology is a real and physical thing. That is reproductive gender and is undeniable.If your body is male, it is male. If it is female, well it is female. That's like saying a book is a book and a hat is a hat. These are physical statements, vastly more complex as biological, living things but still meeting a set of physical criteria that names them, describes them. This is the first part of "Gender", and the easiest to comprehend.

    Gender becomes more complex when we move beyond only discussion of the physical, for sentient human life is more than the physical. I make no claim to understand the why or the how of it but it is obvious that within the thinking, reasoning, feeling, self-aware existence that is a human mind there are people who know their physical gender does not match who they are. Sometimes I wonder, when hearing these people describe their situation, if the human soul (spirit, pick a term you prefer) itself has gender? As in, could a spirit of one gender be born into the body of an incompatible gender?

    I've no opinion on it, just pondering the unsolvable of it all, the possibility that gender of a person is one part physical and one part the sentient mind. The combination of the two making for enormous potential variation in thought, outlook, and intention. That this gets confusing and difficult to comprehend is an obvious outcome.

    As for "homophobic", well, that term has always seemed peculiar to me. To be phobic is to have a fear. Gay people do not scare me. I don't entirely understand them, but hey nothing about them harms me in any way so why shouldn't I wish them well and keep going along with my day?
     
  4. Polydectes

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    Yeah, I don't mind much if people do something that at best is unappealing. I just find it funny how when you find something unappealing you are called a ophobe or ist because of your taste.

    It's like somebody rolling around in a rotten deer carcass and then telling me I'm a bigot for being disgusted.
     
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    There seems to be a psychological component really to everybody and their sex or gender. I believe the people who say they feel like they were always the opposite sex on the inside. That part of the human experience it's not really anything new. There have been cross dressers since before there was psychology.

    The problem I have with this is the political side of it. I don't think politicizing this does anybody any favors. A transgendered person or a person who doesn't identify with their biological sex is a relatively rare occurrence it to me seems to be a private thing.

    Turning it into an identity, rather than just an idiosyncrasy has the effect of making it into a fad.

    This is a bad thing to me. It trivializes the very real suffering that people go through. It places this suffering I'm society not accepting rather than investigating, I have no doubt that being disinfected by society is a component but how do we know that's the only component?


    it's perfectly acceptable to have an opinion on it. My opinion is that it shouldn't really be something we're talking about politically, that turns it into a partisan issue intense to and thus pigeonholes people. I've experienced this myself. Imagine not just being isolated from the community people like you because you disagree with the politics.

    This happened in the early 90s with church.
    The term homophobia was coined in psychology to describe somebody who was themselves homosexual and therefore feared things related to homosexuallity or that they felt were related to homosexuality are the thoughts that knows things would make them homosexual.

    It was then turned into a trope because of some people expressing homophobia who are indeed homosexual. So there for anybody who has any opinion negative of homosexuality or if the political trappings there of is deemed homophobic.

    It has been so linked to this that it's almost a knee-jerk response. Case and point, I've been called homophobic multiple times despite my being homosexual and in a relationship that reflects that.

    Honestly like a lot of words that has lost its meaning. It seems to be just a way to say someone is bad for not agreeing with you but not being able to explain why you think what you do.
     

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