America Does not have a violence or gun problem. America has a black problem

Lol the fact you don’t see the irony in your post after we just had a black guy elected president TWICE and here you folks are still crying and whining about how unfair life is to you because your great granddaddy was discriminated against.

You cry about it so hard that you demand assistance from us white people because you're incapable of doing it on your own. I guess you’ll never get out of your self-imposed slavery to the white man.

 

I can name a hundred more successful black American citizens than you are - are you a failed white guy?

 

Those statistics you presented only represents those arrested for those crimes. I wouldn't doubt that the crime rate among the black population is higher, however 1. The rate at which people are arrested is not a fair representation of the actual proportional crime rate, and 2. There are many variables that contribute to higher crime rate, most notably social economic living conditions

These are two factors that have been true across the world, and for thousands of years. It is a factor that has been acknowledged many times in ancient writings. As Marcus Aurelius wrote "Poverty is the mother of crime" and as the Greek philosopher Anacharsis wrote "Written laws are like spiders’ webs; they will catch, it is true, the weak and poor, but would be torn in pieces by the rich and powerful"

This is true in all countries, where ever there is higher poverty there is a tendency for higher crime. Also, people living in these poverty stricken areas are arrested at a rate that is above their proportional crime rate.

Something worth noting about this image is it is calculating overall gun deaths instead of calculating overall homicides. Many homicides do not involve a gun, and most gun deaths are suicides

 

No it’s means you can name 100 black guys who stopped whining and crying like little ho’s and took some personal responsibility and accountability for their own actions. They stopped playing the victim, got rid of their entitlement mentality and stopped blaming whitey for everything wrong in their lives.

You and your ilk should take a lesson from them.

 

A few things. First of all poverty does not explain this issue. We have many groups in poverty. Hispanics, native Americans and poor whites are ALL in poverty. But you don’t see the absurdly high rate of violent crime committed by those groups.

In fact at EVERY income level blacks are grossly and disproportionately represented in regards to violent crime compared to their peers. Furthermore please explain to me what poverty has to do with 6% of our population committing 33% of our total rape.

Oh and btw you don’t want to look at conviction rates. Those are even worse.

 

Actually, all of those groups have a significantly higher violent crime rate from the general populous. Another example you can go by is homicide rate and poverty rate by state

This is the poverty rate by state




and this map represents the homicide rate by state




There are many variables of course, especially between urban and rural areas, but the strongest correlation known has been poverty, and this is true across the world, not just in the United States

Not even close to being true, the crime rate among wealthy blacks is significantly lower than those living in poverty.

Once again, that is going by arrests, and not overall crimes. There also exists a disproportionately higher rate of violent crime and rape within Native American culture

https://www.nbcnews.com/know-your-v...ates-among-native-women-will-shock-ncna935661
https://nij.gov/topics/tribal-justice/Pages/welcome.aspx
https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/race-justice-news-native-americans-in-the-justice-system/

Again, there are many variables to this, but one of the strongest correlations has been poverty

 

Why? Because it's gun related death stats.

 

Not all firearm-related deaths are the same, nor should they be counted as the same. One choosing to end their own existence with a firearm is of no relevance, and should not be discussed when the topic pertains to crimes committed with firearms. to claim otherwise is nothing less than intellectual dishonesty.

 

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

 

Yup. Meet them all the time. Failed white guys. White supremacists whose only claim to fame is that they share the same skin tone as people who are actually successful. They jump on the internet, and post threads about how they are superior to other skin tone people, but in the end it turns out that they are nothing, just failures trying to claim greatness because of their color. Sad really.

 

Are you claiming all those R states that are the highest in the nation are suicide?
Why are there so many suicides in R states?

 

A couple of things. First of all here’s a map of the black population in the us. Now you tell me. Which map more closely aligns with the homicide map you posted? Your poverty map or my black population map? Mine more closely aligns and it does so because you and your studies are attempting to ignore the empirical data on race because it doesn’t fit your politically correct agenda. So you try to explain it away based on something else that, while poverty certainly exacerbates the problem, it doesn’t explain the disproportionality of the violent crime committed by blacks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population

Furthermore, while we don’t have the data (because the government doesn’t compile it or won’t release it), if we could separate violent crime by race AND income level and we removed the black population, not only would poverty cease to appear to be such a driving factor, but the violent crime rate by race would then match their comparable rate of representation in the total population.

No that wasn’t my point. My point is that when you separate violent crime by income level, at every level of income blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime at that income level compared to their peers (whites, Hispanics, Asians, native Americans etc etc).

Although now that you mention it, the violent crime rate of whites in poverty is basically comparable to the level of violent crime by blacks in the middle class.

Again the conviction rates are even worse. You don’t want to look at those. Because it will hurt your argument.

But I’ve already posted the rape rates for native Americans and they’re not disproportionately represented. Certainly not at the ABSURD rate that blacks are.

 

Also as far as the native Americans crime and incarceration rate we are discussing VIOLENT crime. Not drug and alcohol arrests which is what the Native American population is disproportionately arrested for.

 

It is not a claim. It is an acknowledgement.

Because it is understood in those states that one ending their own existence is a private matter for the individual, and that it is not the role of the government to prevent such from occurring.

That matter aside, however, it does not address the fact that firearm-related homicides and firearm-related suicides are not the same thing, nor should they be counted simultaneously under the same heading. They should be separated into their own individual categories, and address separately.

The simple fact of the matter is that suicides simply do not count to anyone who is interested in matters of intellectual honesty.

 

Doubtful, R's typically are more religious and suicide is not allowed per christianity.

The stats are death by firearms. Suicide used to be a felony, but how is a dead person punished? Or is survive, they have bigger issues than being a felon.

 

Largely, the crime rates are tied to poverty rates.
I doubt skin color has an effect on crime. That makes no sense.

 

Of course some minorities do have crime rate several times higher then White Majority. Also men have crime rate several times higher then women.

But only vile monsters blame groups rather then individuals. Blaming all African Americans was fashionable for centuries. In USSR there was a time when blaming Jews was fashionable. In Western Civilization 1990s -- 20??, blaming all men is fashionable.

 

I agree 100%. Poverty, Depression, etc.

 

Anyone who inherits property is using the product of honest and dishonest gains from their great-grandparents.

 

But I thought Obama only won because of the illegal immigrant vote? Which is it? Is it whatever makes your case look best ATM or just whatever is convenient? Is it both?

I think you should cry for help! You're obviously in need. Failure to thrive as a white male is a sad condition. We'll pray for you, thoughts and prayers man, thoughts and prayers

 

In a way European Americans are much more lucky then Russian Nobility. In 1918, their property was mostly expropriated.

I am neither African American nor European American. I am proud of my ancestors -- Russian Jews who took part in the 1917 Revolution.

Sadly with Stalin's Dictatorship Socialism in USSR did not work out.

 

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I do not know about African Americans. Being a minority they still face discrimination in USA.

In Russia, peasants were the majority. Jews had lower status then peasants, so they played an even greater role in 1917 Revolution.

 

Fantastic. Then you don’t believe that whites today bear any responsibility for the discrimination and racism by other whites against blacks years ago right?

You feel as though the government programs aimed to benefit minorities... excuse me... non-whites at the expense and exclusion of white people are discriminatory and racist and should be ended.

Right?

 

Really? How?