American Legion Joins VFW Call for Congressional Investigation of Israel Attack on USS Liberty

You're wishing someone "luck" in an argument whose "evidence" he posts links to are sites promoting 9-11 Truther BS and the idea that the recent California fires were started by directed energy weapons!!

 

I hope you slept well & thanks for your excellent contributions.
As the Maxim goes: "There are none so blind as those who will not see."
The way I look at this, is that the degree to which so many Liberty deniers have been professionally or willfully deceived is just another measure of the extensive nature of the cover-up.

 

Everything I've posted has been confirmed by the Chicago Tribune which you will not read.

I believe my fellow Veterans over Israel's army of paid, trained & scripted Hasbara shills.

"New revelations in attack on American spy ship"
https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html#page=1

EXCERPTS "To a man, the survivors interviewed by the Tribune rejected Israel's explanation.

Analyst: Israelis wanted it sunk

The transcript published by the Jerusalem Post bore scant resemblance to the one that in 1967 rolled off the teletype machine behind the sealed vault door at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, where Steve Forslund worked as an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing, then the highest-level strategic planning office in the Air Force.

"The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.

"The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."

Forslund said he clearly recalled "the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely."

"He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots' responses that it didn't sink."

Nor, Forslund said, was he the only member of his unit to have read the transcripts. "Everybody saw these," said Forslund, now retired after 26 years in the military.

Forslund's recollections are supported by those of two other Air Force intelligence specialists, working in widely separate locations, who say they also saw the transcripts of the attacking Israeli pilots' communications."CONTINUED

 

You never answered why Americans planes that were prepared to defend the liberty were recalled two times.

You claimed that they were deployed once & recalled because they carried nuclear weapons. You never explained why the planes war recalled a second time.

 

You shine a light that it happened. You don't let people forget. Just because they can not prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt they owe it to the dead. Lest we forget.

 

I remember Pearl Harbor to honor the dead. You are not asking that we honor the dead..

There are also conspiracy theories about Peal Harbor. Supposedly there were numerous warnings, but Roosevelt let it happen anyway. Let it go.

 

Thank you.
The whole point of studying history and learning from tragedies is to keep from making the same mistakes again.

The Liberty survivors have been silenced, betrayed by their own government & even received cowardly anonymous threats from America's infestation of virulent Israel Firsters.
They deserve a truthful and complete account of what happened that day to exonerate them from a lifetime of slander, insults, threats & abuse.

 

You honor the dead by fighting for them and by punishing the wrongdoer's. What is your take on the murder of the guy down the street if they have not found the killer after 3 months. - forget about it?

Conspiracy theories? WTF. this is not some theory. The Israelis did it over a period of hours. This was not some fly by shooting by a jet traveling at 400 mph. But multiple coordinated attacks. Why did Isreal jam the distress call from a Egyptian tanker.

 

Just for the record, I fully support the right of the Jewish people to have a homeland, and I have many Jewish friends who I know to be very good people.

However, I also support the right of the Palestinian people to have a homeland.

The historical record is very clear that the Israeli government, perhaps under the undue influence of criminal elements within it, is a criminal organization for its actions towards the Palestinian people and much more. The Liberty incident demonstrates that. They should be held accountable for those crimes, including their role in 911.

 

If they are so damn unreliable, why is it that detectives and investigators spend so much time trying to find them?

 

Another conspiracy theory? There is no end to them. Sometimes events happen just like they appear.

 

Because sometimes they lead to hard evidence.

 

And sometimes they are not. The human brain is easy to trick. Goebbels may have been wicked, but he understood how perceptions can be manipulated.

 

And sometimes they are so contrived as to be hilarious.

 

The whacky "Conspiracy Theory" is that it was an accident.
What is especially chilling is the degree to which the highest levels of US government was (and is) subservient to the powerful Israeli lobbies who influence US policy making to America's severe detriment.

Of course the Israelis knew that they were massacring Americans.

An ethical & courageous Israeli pilot refused to participate in the slaughter & was immediately arrested.

"Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED

 

If you are referring to the official story regarding 911, you are absolutely correct!

 

You and Grau are 9-11 truthers? Now everything is clear.

 

I pointed out the attack might well have been over at that point.

 

Nope. You have just lost all credibility.

 

It wasn't. The attack was still underway. Check the time line.

Why won't you read the Chicago Tribune report on the deliberate Israeli attack on Americans?

Also...

What about the ethical & courageous Israeli pilot who refused to participate in the deliberate massacre of American G.I.s & was immediately arrested?

"Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED

 

Why do you assume THAT Israeli involved told the truth yet the other Israelis lied? Being pretty hypocritical in your analysis there "truther".

Also you have CLAIMED that you were part of a military unit deployed to Israel tasked with defending them. I've never seen any actual proof such a unit exists, existed, or was deployed to Israel with those orders. Do you have any proof of this claim?

 

Evasive deflections noted.

The list of things about which you know nothing is endless & I'm tired of wasting time with dishonest, disloyal & insulting Israel Firsters.

 

I can't accuse you of lying but if you actually read my posts you would find I have no special affection for Israel.

I wish you would explain it beyond your supposed sympathy for the crew of the Liberty which to me sounds as fake as your claimed military background.

 

The only "conspiracy theory" especially after the declassification of the tapes revealed in the Chicago Tribune(1) is the "accident theory" and the Liberty crew survivors have been treated despicably for decades. In addition to being abandoned, abused, betrayed & slandered by their own government and a complicit MSM, they've even received anonymous threats from virulent Israel Firsters to keep them from revealing their horrific experiences at the hands of America's largest foreign aid recipient.

For decades, the US Government & MSM have "Let it go." As a result, the psychological wounds of the survivors have only festered while the dead were buried under a mean spirited lie steeped with corruption & deference to a treacherous foreign government.

Only an honest & complete Congressional investigation can vindicate the survivors & properly honor the dead with a truthful accounting of what the living have endured & the circumstances under which dead were buried.



"New revelations in attack on American spy ship"
https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html#page=1

EXCERPTS "To a man, the survivors interviewed by the Tribune rejected Israel's explanation.

Analyst: Israelis wanted it sunk

The transcript published by the Jerusalem Post bore scant resemblance to the one that in 1967 rolled off the teletype machine behind the sealed vault door at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, where Steve Forslund worked as an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing, then the highest-level strategic planning office in the Air Force.

"The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.

"The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."

Forslund said he clearly recalled "the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely."

"He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots' responses that it didn't sink."

Nor, Forslund said, was he the only member of his unit to have read the transcripts. "Everybody saw these," said Forslund, now retired after 26 years in the military.

Forslund's recollections are supported by those of two other Air Force intelligence specialists, working in widely separate locations, who say they also saw the transcripts of the attacking Israeli pilots' communications."CONTINUED

 

You investigate. Congress has better things to do. Not that they will.