Americans do have a choice

Americans do have a choice

 

The third party candidates all have some extreme views that are outside of mainstream American thought. This is why they are 3rd party.

Johnson advocating open borders with Mexico and Stein wanting total forgiveness of all student loans?

They simply are not grounded in reality which is why they have no chance of winning.

 

They do have several choices (and the easiest choice is the most difficult), but the (television watching) masses are going to make the wrong one, because this is how history happens every time. It happened many times before over the last couple of thousands of years -> tyranny, empires, wars.
A third (or fourth, fifth) party will not stop this part of history, because; e.g Ron Paul endoresed Mitt Romney, means, more votes on the two party system via a third party.
This is how the system (not a president is top of power/has power, but a powerful ruling elite aka establishment) is gaining power. A vote on a third party will also not save America, only three-way political compartmentalization will originate (power/number of votes split in three, three political pillars, thus more votes for the establishment/system, then more power they have, so they can push their plans even harder forward again, you can understand from history that that will be economically because years of crisis hasn't been solved, why does it take so long to e.g. drill for geothermical energy, generate electricity by tidal energy, start devellop advanced electric (or hydrogen?) transportation? This system does clearly not want a healthy and modern economy.
There is no difference (fundamentally ideologically) between any presidential candidate or party, because that is the deception (the war against your mind)
The choice in this kind of historical periods is not difficult, keep your power (easiest), become independent on all levels, self-sustained, self producing, etc.

 

I think the Greens are very close to European mentality , worker run factories and the like which is very interesting but from the little i know about American mentality winning seems to be more important than politics in an election .

 

http://www.policymic.com/articles/1...winner-scorecard-gary-johnson-a--jill-stein-b
Speaking of...

I'd rather Obama than Romney personally. I like Jill Stein in theory, but I think she's a little naive. I'm not really a libertarian I'm more of a pre-Reagan Republican so there are things I don't like about Johnson, but he's very convincing...if only he had a chance.

No one else gets my consideration.

 

Wut? Leave the borders ungaurded so that millions of illegals can cross over without penalty? These people are insane,.......oh wait.

 

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/immigration

it appears that it is YOu who is not grounded in reality. sigh.

 

the last sane 3rd party candidate was Ross Perot. The rest of them were/are blooming idiots.

 

-Source: David Sheff interview in Playboy Magazine , Jan 1, 2001

 

I don't feel like I have much of a choice. Voting for a third party candidate (at least in this election) is a wasted vote. As a female with a gay family member and a number of friends in the U.S. military....I don't have a choice at all.

 

Open borders aren't a problem if we end the War on Drugs and implement a much better work visa system.

 

Perot sane? Remember he campaign song was "crazy" lol.

 

You mean like a stance that isn't identical on Syria and foriegn policy?

Outside the mainstream = You can take the purple pill, or the purple pill, you decide!

 

And when you realize that voting for a Democrat or Republican is the true definition of a wasted vote as neither offer any real change.....then you will be awake.

 

How true, you people argue over Obama and Romney.....

 

But what if the definition of 3rd party was not being part of a established party. In other words as soon as lets say the green party actually develops a GNC(Green national Committee), that it would just be seen as another establishment party?

BTW, Ron Paul never supported Mitt Romney, and still to this day refuses to endorse him.

 

except that this isnt the matrix, and there is no purple pill. The only way to effect change is to play the game. If you're not in the game (ie a third party), then you have no chance to effect change.

 

So which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy to me!

 

It's not, if you're willing to play the game. If you take yourself out of the game, then you're just an observer.

 

Well as long as you completely avoid my point, I guess i will just trust you, and take your word for it.

 

You don't really have a point. You make the false assumption that you can fight the game. But you can't. You can only play it.

 

Sure lets keep going in circles.

Chicken or the egg, which one came first?

 

Neither. The chicken evolved gradually from an evolutionary precursor through millions of generations. It's impossible to draw a bright line and say that any one generation represented a chicken while the previous generation did not.

 

My views on immigration are this. Grandfather the current illegals, those that are already here can stay. Issue them all social security numbers, audit them, make them pay any back taxes they'd owe. And open the borders, let people in like we historically have. All of them come in, pay taxes, be Americans. Anybody who tries to cheat the system and jump the border to avoid the process -- forced labor camps, then after their punishment is complete, deport them and they can try to do it legit next time.