When one is very much more powerful than the other I think you may be wrong. The only thing holding Israel back is world opinion, in particular the US and Europe. Many believed that the 2014 war in Gaza should be the last - there should be a killing of all who had any impetus to be involved with resistance and the rest should be gathered together and exiled. With the West Bank the intent is to annex area C (62% of the west bank) and leave the rest as isolated bantustans with no rights for those Palestinians unable to get anywhere else. That is the future and I think it is very near. As you will see from an article I quoted yesterday in post 38 this is now mainstream thinking and was mentioned in a recent meeting of the knesset. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=438577&page=4&p=1065699321#post1065699321 You can also see how we the Brits lay the foundation for this by our change of policy after 9/11 abandoning conflict resolution so that Oslo could be achieved and instead going for wrongly equating Hamas with Al Qaeda and going for the building of prisons for political prisoners and allowing Israel, the only one of the two with any kind of modern weapons to deal with conflict by war to her hearts content. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/alastair-crooke/permanent-temporariness Obvioulsy once this was in place, Israel was free to set about her desire for Eretz Israel. The invasion of Iraq arguably being the icing on the cake http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/03/worlddispatch.iraq
Thanks for that link - I'll try to get around to reading it later. You have a deeper insight (historically) into the subject than I have, or am prepared to give it, but I'm sure I'll find it interesting.
There should be a mandatory sterilisation programme for idiots. In the interests of the gene pool, you understand.
You think the Gazan women want to keep churning them out then? They're like African women in that they have no choice nor say in it. I'll bet that given that choice and say, like I said, they'd be queuing up.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Tell me, when was the last time a Palestinian woman told you what she wanted? - - - Updated - - - What, and have another century of Jews whining about how everyone hates them? No thanks!
Yeah, they just want the Palestinians to suffer like they did. And the Israelis wonder why their grubby government and its fascist policies are globally despised.
Yes, isn't it tragic how much they are suffering? 'Whine, whine, whine; poor us, everyone hates us'. Tell you what, Israel, stop behaving like a bunch of feral savages toward your neighbours and you might gain a little respect back.
Why, only yesterday one stopped me in the street and said she'd had enough popping them out every 9 months. When I questioned her, asking how many she's had so far in her child-bearing years, she told me 8.3 sprogs thus far, and one in the oven.
Tony Blair the warmonger? That Tony Blair? I suggest we keep him as far away from the Middle East as humanly possible; he's caused enough damage over there already-and them some moron decides to appoint him Middle East 'peace envoy'! You couldn't make it up.
Everyone that's followed the most recent peace talks between the Israeli government and the Palestinians knows that the Palestinians have offered all of the above but there is a caveat. Israel must accept two other provisions from UNSC Resolution 242 in response. First, Israel must accept the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" and secondly Israel must comply with the requirement of "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from (Palestinian) territories occupied" in 1967. Additionally the Palestinians have also proposed, in principle, the "establishment of demilitarized zones" where an international military force, preferably NATO, occupy the "demilitarized zone" and that this zone would predominately be in the Palestinian territory. This is to ensure that neither side can wage war against the other without first waging war on NATO. The Palestinians have far more reason to fear another Israeli invasion than Israel has to fear a Palestinian invasion. For years the two sticking points in negotiations was the "right to return" of Palestinians (and their descendents) to Israeli territory that was their homeland prior to 1948-49 and the right of compensation for land confiscated by Israel from Arab landowners. Both of those demands as a component for a peace agreement by the Palestinians have been deferred to the future where they believe these issues can best be addressed in the future when peace exists between Israel and the Palestinians. All that is left for peace to be established between the Palestinians and Israel is for Israel to agree to withdraw from the Palestinian territories it occupied when it attacked Egypt, Jordan, and Syria in 1967. Israel must agree to withdraw from E Jerusalem and the West Bank where it's allowed the illegal immigration of Israeli Jews in violation of Section 49 of the Geneva Convention that prohibit the immigration of a native population into territory under military occupation. The concern is, of course, Hamas but the leaders of Hamas have already stated that they will abide by any peace treaty agreed to by the Palestinian people and the Palestinian people overwhelmingly agree to a peace agreement based upon the provisions of UNSC Resolution 242. Israel, by refusing to leave the lands it occupied with it's military in 1967 in compliance with the provisions of UNSC 242, is blocking any peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.
Not a very intelligent thing to say, you know better than that. Israel will not negotiate from the point of weakness but from strength is the point I am making.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4746440,00.html "Is Israel losing its mind? "Op-ed: We are in the midst of a conspiracy of silence. Why aren't we talking out loud about our national illness and its symptoms the destabilization of the rational and moral grounds of Israel's democracy?" 1948. 650,000 Jews inflict their state by force of arms on twice as many non-Jews. The Jewish state is the source of Gaza's misery.
I think the concern is whatever agreemnet will be reached "today" with PLO will only be the start point of the war for future generations, they are not united or responsible enough to maintain agreements with Israel and what it stands for in their minds, this is not a case of a fair share of pie to everyone, there never was a fair share ever between us nor the will to a fair share so the question of "why do you deserve a country but not them" is irrelevant since it all started in blood and the strongest just took more, a fair start will be for the weak to acknowledge his violence is futile and there is a price to pay to the victor if they want our assistance today.
You're concern for all living things is touching but you support the terrorists so let's not get too emotional here... Yiou start count from the Gaza blockade even thou you are smart enough to know Hamas was at war with Israel before it won the elections and before Gaza was in a blockade - so I ask again, why is it OK for Hamas to be at war with Israel but Israel cannot be at war with Hamas ?? - as we both agree the blockade is not a freindlt action.
Oh yes-and just as long as the Palestinians come out the losers in any of Israel's deals it'll be fine with Israel.
The Jewish state will again be the source of Gaza misery if they escilate things I can assure you of that.
The Palestinians don't want your 'assistance'; they want their own state and the right to self-determination. Exactly what the Jews fought for. The Jews got their state but, apparently, that wasn't enough.
Was it ok for the Nazis to be at war with the Jews in Warsaw? The situation with Palestine really isn't much different; an inferior and tiny enclave, Gaza, resisting belligerent occupiers who want nothing less than an Arab-free Israel.
Actually, Palestinians will come on top in any deal with Israel. For in any deal they'll fare better then now. But the flow of free money will dry up, so that's why Palestinians prefer the current cituation to any long lasting solution.
Dont you think a militant entity declaring war actually needs to win in order to get its demands ? or forefitting to it will just be the nice thing to do ? as long as they fight - they wont get (*)(*)(*)(*), but since they did and it costs us dearly to win - there is s price to pay and keeps getting high with each passing day, or so I gather.
I don't support Hamas, or terrorism, or war. What I support is peace and the UN Security Council, in 1967, established the criteria for peace between Israel and the Palestinians. While long seeking to address the injustice of Israel forcing non-Arabs out of "Israel" in 1948-49 and the confiscation of "Arab" land by Israel in the peace process those violations of the "rights of the person" have been deferred to the future by the Palestinians that have now fully embraced the criteria for peace established by UN Security Council Resolution 242. It's Israel's refusal to remove itself from the Palestinian lands (i.e. West Bank and E Jerusalem) that it's been militarily occupying since 1967 (i.e. Israel invaded the Palestinian lands - the Palestinians did not invade Israel) that is preventing peace today. Israel is blocking the peace, period.
Nonsense. As soon as blockades are lifted Palestine will be able to trade with the outside world. And talking of free money, I note that you have no issue with wealthy Israel receiving $5 billions of free cash every year-money they don't need so they tell us.
