Another Gaza war ?

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What "facts show nothing more"?

    1. Ethnic Cleansing is an ongoing process and is condemned world-wide by ethical & educated individuals.
    In Occupied Palestine, it is done both overtly & covertly:

    - Overtly via scantly publicized, scheduled & planned large scale, civilian massacres such as "Cast Lead", "Pillar of Cloud" etc etc leading to the mutilation, burning, suffocation, & multi-agent poisoning of a captive, civilian population.




    -Covertly by relentless & more quiet actions that lead to slower, equally painful deaths:

    i.e. - Home demolitions prior to Winter months lead to quiet, unpublicized deaths through exposure.

    - IDF's deployment of banned Genotoxic, Chemical Weaponry leads to delayed, slow & painful deaths that comprise the unnumbered casualties of the large scale massacres ("Protective Edge" etc)

    - IDF's Weapons Testing, Development & Experimentation on captive civilian populations:

    “The Israeli Lab and the Palestinian Guinea Pigs”
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/06/the-israeli-lab-and-the-palestinian-guinea-pigs/
    EXCERPT “In The Lab, Director Yotam Feldman exposes the Israeli military industry and its operation
    The Lab makes it evidently clear that the Palestinian civilian population in the West Bank and Gaza have become test subjects for Israeli tactics, weaponry and fighting philosophy.

    The destruction of the Palestinians has now been transformed into a very profitable industry. We are dealing here with nothing short of highly calculated murder.”CONTINUED


    - Banning the only experienced medical personnel capable of treating wounds from Israel's arsenal of experimental chemical weaponry:

    “ISRAEL BANS NORWEGIAN DOCTOR FROM ENTERING GAZA DUE TO ‘SECURITY REASONS’”
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4592051,00.html

    - Executing Palestinian fishermen & poisoning their crops & livestock:

    “Israel escalates deadly attacks on Gaza's fishers”
    http://www.theecologist.org/News/ne...scalates_deadly_attacks_on_gazas_fishers.html

    “Gaza's corpse-ridden farms reveal destruction of Palestinian livelihoods”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...l-destruction-of-Palestinian-livelihoods.html

    The list of heavily censored Zionist Ethnic Cleansing practices is far too long to list for anyone unable to differentiate blatant falsehoods from genuine facts


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    Your assertion that US & Israeli supported Settlers": "....have yet to annex one iota of their land." only exemplifies the degree to which you are unable or unwilling to grasp the tragic realities of modern history's most egregious, foreign subsidized, systematic, genocidal atrocities.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The "Zionist" agenda since Day One has always mandated the ethnic cleansing of Palestine of "non-Jewish" people. The Zionist agenda is even expressed in the opening statement in Israeli Declaration of Independence:

    The Zionist goal has always been "all of Palestine" (ERETZ-ISRAEL) as the home of the Jewish people and to do this the existing non-Jewish population must be "cleansed" from the land. In 1948-49 we saw this with the coerced explusion of hundreds of thousands of Arabs that were never allowed to return to what became Israel. Had they not been "cleansed" from that territory the Zionist Jews would have remained outnumbered and would not have been successful in creating the nation of Israel. Since 1967 we seen the (illegal) migration of Zionist Jews into the West Bank and E Jerusalem to force out the Arabs so that this land can be annexed into Israel.

    Ultimately the Zionist Jews cannot accept peace with the Palestinians allowing a Palestinian state. If they were to do this they would be forced to give up the ultimate goal of securing all of Palestine (ERETZ-ISRAEL) as the home of the Jewish People. They need the conflict to continue so that they can continue to force the non-Jewish people out of Palestine.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    It was created by the creator, how else you explain its survival vs multiple Arab coalitions. Game over you lost
     
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    .....WOW. OK. You must be one of those Zionists cultist.


    The war begins


    “In December 1947, the British announced that they would withdraw from Palestine by May 15, 1948. Palestinians in Jerusalem and Jaffa called a general strike against the partition. Fighting broke out in Jerusalem’s streets almost immediately...Violent incidents mushroomed into all-out war...During that fateful April of 1948, eight out of thirteen major Zionist military attacks on Palestinians occurred in the territory granted to the Arab state.” “Our Roots Are Still Alive” by the People Press Palestine Book Project.


    Zionists’ disrespect of partition boundaries


    “Before the end of the mandate and, therefore before any possible intervention by Arab states, the Jews, taking advantage of their superior military preparation and organization, had occupied...most of the Arab cities in Palestine before May 15, 1948. Tiberias was occupied on April 19, 1948, Haifa on April 22, Jaffa on April 28, the Arab quarters in the New City of Jerusalem on April 30, Beisan on May 8, Safad on May 10 and Acre on May 14, 1948...In contrast, the Palestine Arabs did not seize any of the territories reserved for the Jewish state under the partition resolution.” British author, Henry Cattan, “Palestine, The Arabs and Israel.”

    Culpability for escalation of the fighting

    “Menahem Begin, the Leader of the Irgun, tells how ‘in Jerusalem, as elsewhere, we were the first to pass from the defensive to the offensive...Arabs began to flee in terror...Hagana was carrying out successful attacks on other fronts, while all the Jewish forces proceeded to advance through Haifa like a knife through butter’...The Israelis now allege that the Palestine war began with the entry of the Arab armies into Palestine after 15 May 1948. But that was the second phase of the war; they overlook the massacres, expulsions and dispossessions which took place prior to that date and which necessitated Arab states’ intervention.” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”


    The Deir Yassin Massacre of Palestinians by Jewish soldiers

    “For the entire day of April 9, 1948, Irgun and LEHI soldiers carried out the slaughter in a cold and premeditated fashion...The attackers ‘lined men, women and children up against the walls and shot them,’...The ruthlessness of the attack on Deir Yassin shocked Jewish and world opinion alike, drove fear and panic into the Arab population, and led to the flight of unarmed civilians from their homes all over the country.” Israeli author, Simha Flapan, “The Birth of Israel.”

    Was Deir Yassin the only act of its kind?

    “By 1948, the Jew was not only able to ‘defend himself’ but to commit massive atrocities as well. Indeed, according to the former director of the Israeli army archives, ‘in almost every village occupied by us during the War of Independence, acts were committed which are defined as war crimes, such as murders, massacres, and rapes’...Uri Milstein, the authoritative Israeli military historian of the 1948 war, goes one step further, maintaining that ‘every skirmish ended in a massacre of Arabs.’” Norman Finkelstein, “Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict.”

    Was the part of Palestine assigned to a Jewish state in mortal danger from the Arab armies?

    “The Arab League hastily called for its member countries to send regular army troops into Palestine. They were ordered to secure only the sections of Palestine given to the Arabs under the partition plan. But these regular armies were ill equipped and lacked any central command to coordinate their efforts...[Jordan’s King Abdullah] promised [the Israelis and the British] that his troops, the Arab Legion, the only real fighting force among the Arab armies, would avoid fighting with Jewish settlements...Yet Western historians record this as the moment when the young state of Israel fought off “the overwhelming hordes’ of five Arab countries. In reality, the Israeli offensive against the Palestinians intensified.” “Our Roots Are Still Alive,” by the Peoples Press Palestine Book Project.

    The deliberate destruction of Arab villages to prevent return of Palestinians

    “During May [1948] ideas about how to consolidate and give permanence to the Palestinian exile began to crystallize, and the destruction of villages was immediately perceived as a primary means of achieving this aim...[Even earlier,] On 10 April, Haganah units took Abu Shusha... The village was destroyed that night... Khulda was leveled by Jewish bulldozers on 20 April... Abu Zureiq was completely demolished... Al Mansi and An Naghnaghiya, to the southeast, were also leveled. . .By mid-1949, the majority of [the 350 depopulated Arab villages] were either completely or partly in ruins and uninhabitable.” Benny Morris, “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949.

    After the fighting was over, why didn’t the Palestinians return to their homes?

    “The first UN General Assembly resolution—Number 194— affirming the right of Palestinians to return to their homes and property, was passed on December 11, 1948. It has been repassed no less than twenty-eight times since that first date. Whereas the moral and political right of a person to return to his place of uninterrupted residence is acknowledged everywhere, Israel has negated the possibility of return... [and] systematically and juridically made it impossible, on any grounds whatever, for the Arab Palestinian to return, be compensated for his property, or live in Israel as a citizen equal before the law with a Jewish Israeli.” Edward Said, “The Question of Palestine.”


    Now let's not talk about what happened in 67 when yet again, Israel launched and attack on lands that they did not posses.

    And they lied that it was Arabs who attached ked first. It was proven a lie by American intel. When they tried to make some other lie up, it was proven wrong again.

    Do not speak of this if you do not know what you are talking about.

    "How else can't you explain it?" Hey everyone do you see what [MENTION=4878]Oxymoron[/MENTION] said?

    He thinks that God himself came down and established the Zionist state that clearly goes against everything that he taught.


    Some Zionist cultist are just too brainwashed. You know that people today still think that Korea was jesus?

    Well, Zionist, who see themselves as a completion of faith argue that the massacre of the innocent and their expulsions was sanctioned by their god, the same god who preached peace above all. From the same scripture that warns them against doing such a thing.

    Torah warns Jews against forming a Jewish state as it will lead it to its destruction.

    I guess god himself came and established the Jewish faith. Wonder why I missed him. Must have been one of the atheist founders. The Torah said that God will establish the Jewish state. NOT MAN. NOT MAN WITH GOD'S HELP. JUST GOD

    Those Zionist founders were half responsible for such a strong hatred that rose in europe. I have already shown this with the quotes I provided earlier on.

    Knowing this means you except it. And excepting those actions and even saying that God was responsible is a moronic brainwashed comment.

    And to say even further that this peaceful jewish religion, that teaches peace above all else, has anything to do with a Jew who doesnt believe in the Torah..... well you certainly live up to your name.

    Jewish religion
    religion developed among the ancient Hebrews and characterized by belief in one transcendent God who has revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions.

    Like I said before. A jewelry who doesn't follow the Torah is an [MENTION=4878]Oxymoron[/MENTION].

    It would be a Christian without the bible. A Muslim with no koran. You have to follow the word of god, or do your best to try. Those books are a representations of their Gods will. A Christian who doesn't follow gods teachings is not a christian. A Muslim who doesn't follow gods teachings isn't a muslim. A Jew who doesn't follow their Torah is not A jew.
     
  5. Grau

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    Thanks for posting some of the most heavily repressed & ugly realities that have plagued the Region for at least a century & continue to threaten it more severely in the coming days.

    As you already know, "ERETZ-ISRAEL" aka "Greater Israel" includes the entire area from the Nile River, to the Litani to the Tigris / Euphrates. This, of course, includes all of Palestine.

    The current Zionist agenda clearly articulated in the 1982 Oded Yinon Plan & the policy paper "A Clean Break" A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" driven by America's disloyal "Israel Firster" Policy Makers in AIPAC, JINSA etc such as Ziono-Cons Wolfwitz, Perle, Feith, Bolton etc etc call for the Balkanization of Islamic countries throughout N. Africa & the Mid East into weak, easily dominated & exploited Cantons.

    While the AIPAC driven War on Iraq & its subsequent weakening is counted as a success in that direction by America's Ziono-Cons, Syria has proven more problematic due to Russia's intervention & the popularity of Assad by the Syrian people.

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03

    ISIL / Daesh which was created & is supported by by Israel, the U.S., Qatar etc is simply to tool by which Oded Yinon / A.C.B. is to be accomplished but the scheme which has & continues to cost so many lives seems to currently be stalled.

    However, the Zionist evisceration & conquest of Palestine remains on track with, as you noted, Israel's staunch refusal to make Peace with Palestine's Native non Jewish Christians, Muslims etc.

    None of the Zionist Regimes has been interested in anything but perpetuating hostilities that allow for the conquest of additional Palestinian land & eradication / ejection of its non Jewish civilians. They have shown to be willing to use among the most ruthless measures possible* to achieve this end including the poisoning of Gaza with Internationally banned Genotoxic, Chemical weapons, radioactive Depleted Uranium & D.I.M.E. bombs.

    The Netanyahu Regime has openly stated what previous Regimes have demonstrated via their actions:

    A just & durable Peace is out of the question leaving only continued Ethnic cleansing as its ultimate solution & Resistance as the Palestinian's only option.



    Thanks


    * I've documented this fact in earlier Posts
     
  6. Dutch

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    “Israel today concentrates the genius of the Jews. Obscured by the prevalent media narrative of the “war-torn” Middle East, Israel’s rarely-celebrated feats of commercial, scientific, and technological creativity climax the Jews’ twentieth-century saga of triumph over tragedy.

    Today tiny Israel, with its population of 7.23 million, five and one-half million Jewish, is second only the United States in technological contributions. In per capita innovation, Israel dwarfs all nations. The forces of civilization in the world continue to feed upon the intellectual wealth epitomized by Israel.

    Today in the Middle East, Israeli wealth looms palpably and portentously over the middens of Arab poverty. But dwarfing Israel’s own wealth is Israel’s contribution to the world economy, stemming from Israeli creativity and entrepreneurial innovation. Israel’s technical and scientific gifts to global progress loom with similar majesty over all others’ contributions with the sole exception of the United States.

    Long before the founding of Israel in 1948, Jewish pioneers in Palestine had reclaimed the land from malarial marshes, gullied hillsides, and sand dunes, and enabled it(*)— for the first time in a millennium(*)— to sustain a population of millions of Jews and Arabs alike.

    Now, over the last two decades, Israel has unleashed a miracle of creative capitalism and technology and exported its contributions around the globe. During the 1990s and early 2000s Israel removed the manacles of its confiscatory taxes, oppressive regulations, government ownership, and socialist nostalgia and established itself as a driving force of global technological leadership.

    Contemplating this Israeli achievement, the minds of parochial intellects around the globe, from Jerusalem to Los Angeles, are clouded with envy and suspicion. Everywhere, from the cagey diplomats of the United Nations to the cerebral leftists at the Harvard Faculty Club, critics of Israel assert that Israelis are somehow responsible for Palestinian Arab poverty. Violence against Israel is seen as blowback from previous crimes of the Israelis. With little or no extenuation for the difficulties of a targeted defense against guerrilla attacks, suicide bombers, rockets and missiles, the world condemns the Israelis’ efforts to preserve their country against those who would destroy it. Denying to Israel the moral fruits and affirmations that Jews have so richly earned by their paramount contributions to our civilization, the critics of Israel lash out at the foundations of civilization itself - at the golden rule of capitalism, that the good fortune of others is also one’s own.”

    Excerpt From: Gilder, George. “The Israel Test"

    Why do you want to deprive the world of the best, the brightest, the smartest, the most entrepreneural, the most scientifically gifted? :wall:
     
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    Jewish state or democratic state
    "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values.

    "Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel.

    "The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."[29]

    "Similarly, they claim the Jordan River as the permanent eastern border to Israel and it also claims Jerusalem as belonging to Israel.

    "The 'Peace & Security' chapter of the 1999 Likud Party platform rejects a Palestinian state.

    "'The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud#Platform
    If the above doesn't qualify as racist, what does?
     
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    They had democratic elections didnt they ? they have a seat in the UN, if they have votes or not is not my concern, and try not to faint as you type, youll probebly accuse us of that too.
     
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    "Israel currently has 163 Jewish-only settlements and
    98 'outposts' built on confiscated Palestinian land.

    "Palestinians do not have any
    settlements on Israeli land."

    Why do some Jews believe they are entitled to steal their neighbors' land?

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/settlements.html
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    While "ERETZ-ISRAEL" clearly includes all of Palestine any beliefs that the Zionist aspirations extend beyond Palestine is based upon a conspiracy theory. With only an estimated world-wide population of roughly 15 million Jews with only slightly more than 6 million Israeli Jews there simply aren't enough to control a territory larger than Palestine.

    It's a pragmatic impossiblility for the Zionist Jews to control more than Palestine.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank G*d for admitting at least that much :roflol:
     
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    Based upon population the Germans couldn't pragmatically control the world but it didn't prevent them from ethnic cleansing of Western Europe under the Nazis. There's no ideological difference between Aryan (white) Supremacy and Jewish Supremacy when ethnic cleansing is required for political control.
     
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    Who is Oded Yinon?
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    "The winter issue of Kivunim, a 'A Journal for Judaism and Zionism,' publishes 'A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties' by Oded Yinon.

    "The paper, published in Hebrew, rejects the idea that Israel should carry through with the Camp David accords and seek peace.

    "Instead, Yinon suggests that the Arab States should be destroyed from within by exploiting their internal religious and ethnic tensions: 'Lebanon’s total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

    "'The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target.'

    "'Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon.' [KIVUNIM, 2/1982]"
    http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=oded_yinon
     
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    I see. So now it becomes clear why you guys never bring up ethnic cleansing of Jews by Arabs - Arabs did not do it for ideological or political reasons, they just wanted all Jews dead, and they're therefore not as vile as the Jews.
     
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    Thats because israel transported those Jews,.. so they did the ethnic cleansing. In many other cases the Jews acknowledged they refused to join their own army and claimed to side with Israel,.. and so agreed they committed high treason that went along with being punished for it. Most Muslim countries even denied Jews to leave their country. So rather odd to claim being denied to leave = ethnic cleansing etc.
     
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    A people cannot be said to have been "ethnically cleansed" from an area in which it has grown at double the rate of its geographic neighbors. On the other hand, a people that lost more than 150 times its number from an area over the course of a few decades can make a very strong case for having undergone ethnic cleansing.

    Whatever :wall:
     
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    Of course it can.
    Nope.

    There is a definition around what ethnic cleansing is.
    And when it applies, only than it's ethnic cleansing.
     
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    Whatever helps you sleep at night :)
     
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    Muslim Supremacy that results in ethnic cleansing is literally no different than Aryan (White) Supremacy or Jewish Supremacy that results in ethnic cleansing. Why would anyone think there's any difference between these different ideologies? A doctrine of "Supremacy" is the inherent problem that unites them all as ideologies of tyranny.

    Advocacy for any form of Supremacy is advocacy for Tyranny.
     
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    Maybe because you and your friends here spend all of your time adressing only a make believe one and convienantly disregarding all of the other real one going on around the world...
     
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    There's no such thing as Jewish supremacy (well, there is but you and I place different meaning into it).
     
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    That's very funny because you recognize Palestinian unity today in order to declare a country, you recognized it in the past in order to say the had a country of sorts till the Jews returned to Zion, but they were all individuals during the war they declared :)

    - - - Updated - - -

    I'm not sure...., they prove it daily.
     
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    We only question your knowledge of history, we know you have a seperate definition to evey wrong ever made to a Muslim.
     
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    Tech it was Jordinian land when we took it, any changes in the status que should be made around the negotiation table if anyone is intersted.
    20% of Israelis are Palestinians, if they will have an indipendant state I think they can have 20% Jews over there as well.
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    We have an agreement with Jordan on Jerusalem and we have Oslo with the Palestinians, we also have the IDF to solve any disputes around these agreements if needed.
     
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    The nation of Isreal is officially founded upon Jewish control of the social, economic, and political institutions in Israel and that is Jewish Supremacy.

    We need only remember that in 1948 that the Jewish people in Israel were a minority even in the territory that eventually became Israel. Necessity dictated that they had to remove enough of the non-Jewish people (Arab Muslims) to create the State of Israel and that lead to acts of terrorism and coercion that forced between 400,000 and 700,000 Arabs from "Israel" so that the nation could be created by a Jewish majority. Those Arabs forced to flee from the territory could never be allowed to return because it would have re-established an Arab majority in Israel effectively ending the Jewish State of Israel.

    A problem facing Israel today is that the Arab citizens of Israel, based upon birth rates, are projected to become a majority by about 2045 and if/when that happens then the Arab Israeli citizens will take control of the government ending the Jewish State of Israel. Either the Zionists in Israel are going to have to recruit more non-Israel Jewish immigration to Israel or they're going to have to purge part of the Arab population from Israel to retain control.

    It's a pure matter of numbers and it's unlikely that enough foreign Jews will immigrate to Israel to retain Jewish control. Ethnic cleansing will be the only possible solution for the Zionists that seek to continue the Jewish control of the social, economic and political institutions in Israel.
     

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