Anti-Semitic Incidents Surged 57 Percent in 2017, Report Finds

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Those are groups and marches...not anti-semitic incidences.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Hindus were somehow 2% of Israel's population but controlled almost every pillar of media, banking, print, and culture - would Jews not feel like they're being controlled by an outside presence ?
     
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    They all support Palestine and are against Israel.
     
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    This is called whataboutism. You are talking about one subject and then someone says well these people are also bad. True but it has nothing to do with this conversation and is not a defense for anti semitism.
     
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    Not an incidence of anti-semitism.
     
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    So large groups that are anti-semitic are not anti-semitic to you but you think the "right-wing" is.. Got you.
     
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    First, I don't see any evidence of them engaging in anti-semitic behavior. And no, supporting Palestine is not an example of anti-semitic behavior.

    Second, I did not claim that "right wing" is an example of anti-semitic incidence, just that many of those who did engage in anti-semitic behavior (like in Charlottesville) are part of the alt right.

    Third, still waiting on you to support your claim that the left is the cause of the dramatic increase in anti-semitic incidence of 2017.
     
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    I did by pointing out said groups.. Not my issue that you support them.
     
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    the dallas shooter was not part of blm. he was a combat vet, and blm denounced the shooting.
     
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    Well, as is apparent by pretty much every neo-NAZI we've seen, they aren't particular about what kind of scumbags join their ranks.
     
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    My experiences have been different, but I'm not saying you are wrong. I don't have a lot of room for objectivity here because I grew up in an extremely fringe-conservative neck of the woods and I've had a lot worse luck with the right on here than the left. But I'm not talking about the mainstream right or left in either case, and most of it had to do with overt antisemitism more than actual politics.

    I'm a libertarian myself, so not really on the right or left over all, and I've had one or two liberals call me racist or fascist, but I've had a lot more conservatives call me race traitor, ******, etc, and it has only ever been the right who threatened me with violence of political disagreements. But again, that's based on limited exposure, not offered up as a representative example.
     
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    It is on the rise on both sides, think horseshoe effect -- the far left and far right have this weird commonality when it comes to antisemitism, 9/11 denialism, etc. I can tell you I've only had three forum members come after me based on my Jewish heritage, and all three have been far-right, not far-left. And I was constantly threatened for looking "too Jewy" growing up, also never from the Left. I'm not saying it doesn't exist there, I'm not saying that in the least, but it is just comical to pretend it is all or even mostly coming from the Left.
     
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    I'm Jewish and I'm generally pro-Israel (in favor of their continued existence, though not all of their policies), and I approve this message. Not that that should matter.
     
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    Not weird at all. In fact its called "on watch". Perhaps you've forgotten "never again" but you can bet your last dollar the jews haven't.
     
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    the better question is, why has it always been the Jews that have been expelled ?
    it is simply hatred of the faith/culture alone ?
     
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    the Jews were constantly expelled due to religious bigotry.

    every European expulsion order accused the Jews of converting Christians to Judaism and of marrying Christians, and they simply could not tolerate this...cause they were idiotic bigots.

    read the Spanish Expulsion order.

    read the Portugees Expulsion order.

    read the French expulsion order.

    its all there.
     
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    THE JEWS do not control every pillar of media, banking, print and culture in the USA

    plus they are not "foreign" to the USA, anymore than Thomas Jefferson was.

    Your Nazispeak is disgusting and bigoted.
     
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    Wait wait, I know this one.... you can only fit 50 people in a Volkswagen....
     
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    Yes. You might recall that early christianity thru the middle ages thought that "interest" was usury so the jews became the traditional "money lenders". That "necessary evil" coupled with the jews being "christ killers", gave any number of autocrats more than enough motivation to take the money and property and turf them out. Did wonders for the immediate bottom line.
     
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    Actually you'll find it is the left wingers who are more anti Jewish. The Jewish people, and Israel, is strongly supported by Christians, who many leftists label as 'right wing'. And of course the current President, also considered to be right wing by some, is a friend of the Jewish people.

    It is Muslims who tend to attack Jews, and Muslims have found a place in the heart of many leftists.
     
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    The Jewish people became businessmen largely because it was illegal to hire them as tradesmen.
     
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    You have zero reason to think those factors dramatically increased in 2017 such that they would explain a 57% increase in anti Semitic incidences.
     
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    There could be a spike in 1917 and may go down in 1918 but the reality is that Jews are being targeted more frequently in North America and Europe each year, Europe more so, but especially in the Middle East.

    I think you'll also find that it is leftists who tend not to want Jews to have their own homeland of Israel which, with the rising anti semitism you mention, makes it even more difficult for these good people to live anywhere.
     
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    A decent question. I imagine that the ADL folks explain their definitions, but I don't know off the top of my head.
     

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