Any consensus yet on when a zygote becomes a real human?

I couldn't find another thread that answered such a question so please forgive me for deepening the puddle.

When exactly does a zygote pass from becoming an embryo into a real viable human being? Is there a magic time? Since we have become a civilization of scientific definitions there must be a definitive moment.

Within hours of conception the life process has begun in the case of any pregnancy. Cells begin multiplying and gestation has begun. The life-process continues over the next few days as the ovum attaches to the uterus wall for growth. This process allows the body of cells to grow into a zygote stage roughly resembling the shape of a human being within hours to eventually become a fetus that even more resembles a human life and within weeks has a beating heart and brain activity.

This life-process until this time has had no input into what circumstance has led up to it. This life-process continues without the barriers of law or inconvenience. It also continues despite the tragedies of the human definition of life. It continues as the MOST innocent process in the human race.

Yet, as a human race, we cannot be bothered by definitions of what may hinder us after plotting out our own course of reality. If the reality is too harsh then we simply rely on wavy scientific definition or turn to sympathetic groups who support our weak definition of "life".

We, as a human race, owe more to growing life than a measure of inconvenience. Not even animals resort to this measure.

Is a zygote not life?

Can it be defined at 11:8:26:04?

 

A fetus is considered viable at 23-24 weeks . Most abortions are done long before that.


The human race ends "inconvenient life" all the time, has throughout history and will continue to do so.

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2120872/
"a member of President Bush's Council on Bioethics, describes in his book The Ethical Brain, current neurology suggests that a fetus doesn't possess enough neural structure to harbor consciousness until about 26 weeks, when it first seems to react to pain. Before that, the fetal neural structure is about as sophisticated as that of a sea slug and its EEG as flat and unorganized as that of someone brain-dead."

 

I tend to think that life is not life until consciousness begins to take shape. And life is still life until consciousness completely dissipates. I think we're talking about much more than random brainwaves and firing synapses here, but who knows?

 

. . . . Is a zygote not life? Alive does not mean there is human life. Clearly the answer is not just no but HECK NO. A live embryonic zygote develops into a live embryonic blastocyst after five days and the live embryo continues to grow while consuming the egg yolk from the live pregnant female. The live chorionic villi develop from the live corpus luteum that was not lost because of conception generated hGC hormone. The live chorionic villi develops into the live placenta and this "product of conception" becomes the life-line connected to the living fetus with the umbilical cord.
Anything not yet a HUMAN can be frozen and might be implanted later.
A frozen fetus is DEAD.
. . . . When the live placenta has taken over production of progesterone and begun to exchange nutrients between the living placenta and the living fetus and after all organs are differentiated but are not developed, human life has begun at normally from 8 -to-12-weeks. If a heartbeat is not found at 12-weeks, no life remains. There is no exact time this living will occur. There will NEVER be a standard time because every single human life begins differently.
. . . . A plant is alive and will turn towards sunlight but not because of a thought process. Human life does not require consciousness and sleeping every night demonstrates this over and over.
. . . . Terri Schiavo was alive and conscious but many did NOT agree Ms Schiavo still had a human life.
. . . . Curtis J Neeley Jr. (me) was unconscious and unresponsive in a coma and on a respirator for over six weeks after a car wreck. Both parents wished I remain on life-support. Still; I allegedly had spoken with my ex-spouse in the past and chose not to live on life-support. My ex-spouse did a DNR order and had my respirator removed. I was given an extremely complicated legal "mission". This may, in fact, be a TBI delusion. As I was dying, I finally responded to a request for a thumbs-up and "how many fingers" request from my brother and then doctors. My ex-spouse allowed the respirator to be returned for as few weeks. I do not remember the past the way other humans do. I recognize my children and prior spouses but not the experiences. I remember some facts I learned in the past but not the experience of attending school.

Neeley v NameMedia Inc et al, (5:09-cv-05151)(11-255
Neeley v NameMedia Inc et al, (5:12-cv-05074)
Neeley Jr v FCC, et al, (5:12-cv-0520 (13-1506)(13-6502)
Neeley v FCC, et al, (5:13-mc-00066)
Neeley v 5 Federal Communications Commissioners, et al,
(5:13-cv-5293)(14-3447)

In the above cases, GOOG spent close to half a million and offered me five to just drop the case. MSFT spent probably one quarter million. Google Inc. refused to remove the book previews scanned from libraries in NY and beat the Authors Guild in federal court regarding this. GOOG removed the one book I demanded. The FCC alleged to comply with my demand to obviate the suit. The FCC admitted to decades of malfeasance and alleged to end this but have not yet because FCC malfeasance is EXTREMELY popular (NOT regulating wire communications as US law requires). All US media sought legally for the FCC to continue this malfeasance and I answered each.
. . . . 1. ABC(48), CBS(36), FOX(44), NBC(46) seeking allowance of porn broadcasts.
(15 page) Curtis J Neeley Jr Reply.
8. PTS & PBS(13) seeking allowance of porn broadcasts.
(9 page) Curtis J Neeley Jr Reply.
These are all related to gestation regulation as are the gay marriage and ACA ruling and the Citizens United mistake.

 

I have no idea what the conclusion has to do with the premise. If there's a definitive moment other than conception, there's no reason to believe it follows some formula that applies in every case, however fiercely our "scientific civilzation" wills it to be so.

So what sort of life do you imagine it is? Feline? Bovine? Porcine?

And you figure this applies strictly to nonhuman organisms how, exactly?

And you figure a frozen dog fetus is not?

So what?

 

Our civilization closes in on this "period of time" and has inordinately since 1973, and 1992, but will not be able to determine when an embryo begins to be a fetus.

It is a living human cell comprised of a male and female "germ" cell with incomplete chromosomes.
Genesis 2:24 "And the two shall become ONE."

This appllies to all mammals EXACTLY the same way.

No; ANY frozen fetus is dead.

Early next year SCOTUS will augment Roe v Wade and replace this with Beck v Edwards, (15-44. Arkansas Act 301 will be allowed enforced and will quickly be copied in Congress and be applied nationwide.

 

That's like asking when a child becomes and adult. It's a social label, the moment is decided by agreement.





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Science cannot answer this question in a vacuum. its really a question that has involved not only bio-ethicists, but philosophers and great thinkers for centuries. In my opinion, there is a difference between a life process involving the growth human tissue or potential human life, and a life form with real humanity at its core. Sentience or consciousness may be a key, but I am not sure it is the only one either.

 

A zygot is just a future aborted liberal.

 

Looks to me like you were fighting for more PORN:


"""1. ABC(4, CBS(36), FOX(44), NBC(46) seeking allowance of porn broadcasts.
(15 page) Curtis J Neeley Jr Reply.
8. PTS & PBS(13) seeking allowance of porn broadcasts.
(9 page) Curtis J Neeley Jr Reply."""""




Now why don't YOU show some DIGNITY and RESPECT and keep your sick babbling about ACT 301 out of every thread......

 

No, I fought for FCC regulation of "online" as a common carrier of wire communications and U.S. allowance of human dignity or the right to protect personal honor.

I CHANGED "online" forever and removed hundreds of thousands of photos from the web including four complete websites as well as their archives in the "N-ternet" Archive. Some were "online" since 1997 but are now gone! Once it's on the web it is NOT permanent. These are GONE as well as their histories.

No thread alleging professional killings o f a fetus should be allowed to continue will avoid Act 301 until Jan 8, 2016. Then if my petition is denied, and if/when Arkansas' petition is denied earlier or later, I will leave this forum except for posting about the "Last Amendment" needed to make the U.S. Honorable again.

I may, otherwise, just write a book and physically leave this dishonorable nation for Britain, France or other more honorable E.U. nation.

 

I believe abortion exists in all countries

 

Why do you celebrate the "right" to kill a fetus despite being clearly WRONG and PURE EVIL?

Women like yourself rebel against NATURE - EVERYWHERE.

Most other nations prohibit killing a human fetus. The U.S. Is one of the worst nations on earth regarding gestation regulation and on human dignity.

I am embarrassed by this failing experiment of human government.

 

I celebrate the right of women to do as they please with their own bodies and ignore the bitterness and hatred of those who wish to treat them like cattle.


Are you actually claiming that abortion is illegal EVERYWHERE but the US ?? LOL! Try again....

 

No. Killing a fetus because of a frivolous choice or other whim is illegal in most nations and is already illegal in EVERY honorable nation.

Doctors in the U.S. will not kill a human fetus by the end of next year because of only a woman's frivolous choice though "abortionist" disguised as doctors will still exist.
PP; however, will cease to exist as a profitable fetus-killer by Christmas 2016.

The right to control the human body will remain "as a right" unless gestation exceeds 11-weeks. I pity women who feel the pending human dignity realization by SCOTUS will be oppressive. My pity and complete rejection of the dishonorable desire to kill a fetus is NOT hate.
Killing an "abortionist" doctor or anyone else to stop fetal killings is WRONG and requires the HATRED you and many others associate with me to feel less evil..

 

The Zygote is human from the egg stage forward, it is not however a "human Being" until born. It will go through many stages of human development until eventually becoming formed enough to function on it's own and then no longer require the physical attachment to the human being it was living within. It will still require human beings to sustain it's life but can perform the basic functions that designate it as a human being.
From this point we have also created additional terms used to explain the stages of growth outside the mother. We begin this with Baby and continue as it ages. The use of baby for an unborn fetus is a way to play on emotions and nothing more...it is inaccurate and disingenuous.

 

I celebrate the right of women to do as they please with their own bodies and ignore the bitterness and hatred of those who wish to treat them like cattle.
Are you actually claiming that abortion is illegal EVERYWHERE but the US ?? LOL! Try again....



DO show the countries where abortion is legal.......

 

Abortion of gestation is legal in much of the world but is generally not allowed simply by choice.
. . . . 198 countries, independent states, and regions surveyed worldwide, 59 allow abortion of gestation without restriction as to reason, otherwise known as elective abortion of gestation or abortion of gestation on demand or American abortion of gestation.
. . . . The other 139 countries require some reason to obtain an abortion of gestation ranging from most restrictive (to save the life of the mother or completely prohibited) to least restrictive (socioeconomic grounds) with various reasons in between (e.g., physical health, mental health).
. . . . Of 59 countries permitting elective abortion of gestation:
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• 9 countries limit elective abortion of gestation before the 12th week of gestation,
  36 countries limit elective abortion of gestation at 12 weeks gestation
  6 countries limit elective abortion of gestation between 12 and 20 weeks gestation
  7 countries permit elective abortion of gestation past 20 weeks or have no gestational limit.
  1 country maintains a federal system where abortion of gestation policy is determined at the state/territory level, and at least two of those states permit elective abortion of gestation past 20 weeks.

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From the above 59 less moral countries.
Austria. (14-weeks gestation)
Belgium, Germany. (12-weeks gestation)
Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro. (12-weeks gestation)
Canada. (no limit by law)
China. (no limit by law)
Luxembourg. (13-weeks)
Mongolia,Tunisia. (12-weeks)
Netherlands. (24 weeks)
North Korea. (no limit by law)
Singapore. (24-weeks)
Sweden. (18-weeks)
Vietnam (no limit by law)
Source: Angelina Baglini, J.D.

 

A zygote is life. It is alive. So is a fetus. They are both living human beings. But neither are a person until birth. Neither have rights until birth. Rights are given to individuals, not just something that is living and human. The mother is an individual and her rights do exist. Once she gives birth, her children become individuals and have their own rights just like she does. That's why there is no "abortion" after birth like I see some pro-lifers claim is the "next step" for the pro-choice movement.

We can talk all about the morality of abortion and whether or not a fetus is a human, but words are wind. Actions are what counts. And the actions of society do not really treat a fetus as if it's actually a person. That treatment seems to be mostly reserved for the abortion debate, where fetuses become people for the sake of a better argument against abortion. That's sort of like how pizza is normally considered to be "junk food", but magically becomes a vegetable when it comes to school lunch programs.

 

Yup, you were wrong again

(Do you REALLY think anyone, any country, cares what YOU think is moral or not? Clue: NO.)


Canada has no abortion laws and their abortion rate is lower than ours , their people are just as "moral" as any other people, and as a country they're doing just fine

(hurts, doesn't it)

 

It does not matter that the people who live in Canada are more honorable than those in the U.S. despite their nation not protecting a fetal human. It does not hurt me whatsoever regardless of what anyone thinks of my moral judgments. The abortionists actually DID claim a liberty interest in killing a viable fetal human after 12-weeks and before 24-weeks whether a viable fetal assaulter or a damaged non-viable fetus. A liberty interest means "bodily autonomy". I know the future but am not sure how we get there.
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Canada has much fewer black women as a population and this plays a large part in their lower rate of aborting gestation. More blacks have died from abortion of gestation since 1973 than ANYTHING else including cancer, heart attacks, or other natural causes.

 

Exactly. And Canada isn't going around invading other countries, it recognizes equal rights regardless of sexual orientation etc. ....I'd say that makes it a very moral country.

 

I always knew all sexists were racists........please show the stats for your claim about how many black women have died from abortions compared to other causes.

...and your source can't be a sexist , misogynist, or racist source ...


I'm trying to treat you kindly because of your self admitted severe brain damage .... it's too bad when that type of thing makes a person bitter and angry and not kinder and more humane........

 

It is not black women dying from abortions. Please read again.
http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

Thank you so much for trying to be nice.