AOC is socialist. Is that bad?

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  1. crank

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    They can claim anything they like, but both are flaming Capitalists. The model both subscribe to depends upon a very robust upper class (to pay for all of their 'social luxuries').
     
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    Europeans want them too but will never have them because Scandinavians do better than average whether in Scandinavia or USA. Using them as an example of socialism would be like using Silicon Valley as a example of capitalism. Honesty never stopped a liberal did it?
     
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    For all you lefties banging the drum for Sweden style stupidity, I can tell you from personal experience that Sweden is a mess.

    As I said in an earlier post, I have relatives there, and we have to ship them a care package of goods twice/year b/c common consumer goods are crazy expensive.

    Add that to the fact that jobs and opportunity are, on a scale of 1-10, they are zero.

    If you work in government, or are long established with your company?? Your life is aces - and those are the people the media presents to Americans as examples of socialism working.

    What they aren't showing you is the struggles of the working class - like my sister-in-law and her family. They barely get by.
     
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    single payer and Green New Deal Depression are not capitalism. 1+1=2 Notice the way a conservative is made to feel like a kindergarten teacher?
     
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    Exactly so, and I think most social democrats say as much. The "luxuries" are necessities actually, unless you think the entrepreneurial class can work their societal magic while hanging from lampposts
     
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    You think wrong as usual:

    "The World was not always capitalist and will not always be capitalist"- Alexandria Ocassio-Cortez

    “It’s hard to know, but I mean if you’re in the Iowa caucuses and 41 percent of Democrats are socialists or self-described socialists, and I’m asked ‘Are you a capitalist?’ and I say, ‘Yes, but with appropriate regulation and appropriate accountability.’ You know, that probably gets lost in the ‘Oh my gosh, she’s a capitalist!’ ” Hillary Clinton said.

    “Guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal would be about socializing … uh, umm. … Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies.” Maxine Waters


    "You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants when children are hungry in this country," Sanders told John Harwood
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Pick a whole lot more cherries and you might be able to make a pie.
     
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    liberal lost another debate so trying to hide with gibberish.
     
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    Yes. Let's do try that on America. I agree
     
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    They (Progressives) need to figure out what they want, before asking for it. Do they want Capitalism with bonus luxuries (like Scandinavia)? Or do they want Socialism?
     
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    Are you mistaking enthusiasm for free lunch, for enthusiasm for Socialism?
     
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    Nope no mistake. We are long overdue for their social programs
     
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    Omar is a Trump Republican in sheep's clothing. She is doing exactly what Trump and his minions want her to do. She is saying all the right things to ensure Trump's victory in 2020.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan are doing all they can to help her. AOC recently stated that capitalism, the entire basis of the American economy, is a nasty word. Tlaib became newsworthy when she was caught on video telling a MoveOn.org gathering that she had come to Washington to “impeach the motherf---er,” referring to President Trump. Like AOC, she’s a declared democratic socialist, and she has been a harsh critic of the Israeli government, calling for an end to U.S. aid to Israel.

    Trump is having a field day with these three. Who can blame him?
     
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    European luxuries do not exist they live at 50% of our GDP and have chronic unemployment of 10% and in FRance a liberals wet dream riot in the streets despite the confiscatory taxes cant make ends meet.
     
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    So you are seeking more Capitalism, to fund these social luxuries? You should vote for Trump.
     
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    We were discussing Scandinavia, not Europe. And even then, Scandinavia's golden days are probably over. Importing millions of people who refuse to participate, will end it.
     
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    Europe is just like Scandinavia in terms of geography and political philosophy and so far far more representative given its much bigger population. 1+1=2
     
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    I don't know where you worked, but in the places I worked, they did everything they could to crush your spirit. People with spirit don't make good automatons. Love your workers? HA! Love your customers??? DOUBLE HA!
     
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    You misspelled Sanders
     
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    Karl Marx and Jesus did say a lot of the same things...
     
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    They are not even close

    Jesus preached charity by individuals

    Marx preached income redistribution by force if necessary
     
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    He didn't feed everyone fish and bread from individual donations... He got all his fishmarket buddies to hand over their haul and the bakers their bread for the day.
     
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    Jesus performed a miracle to feed the hungry

    He got the fish and bread from his Father
     
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    Sure he did... You don't take the magic zombie stuff seriously do you?
     
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    I dont call it that
    But I I belive in God the Father and the Son
     

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