Are Aboriginals and Aboriginal culture of any benefit to the Australian society?

Nearly everything you and some lefty's post here is baseless rambles against him, so you can have your little hatred bubble but it doesn't mean the rest of us are satisfied with being lies by the ALP/Unions et al. It's why you 'so' enjoy when people agree with you, its the only thing which subdues your inner dissonance by carrying delusional views on something - and you think that is a justification, when it should point to the actual root problem.

 

Speak for yourself!

 

So your of the political centre and right now are you? You really don't do so well at comprehension sometimes....

 

You can be on the left or on the right, but over time the likes or dislikes just ad up and speak for themselves. Its the content which matters....
I often said it and say it again, it is your thoughts, and if people from all walks of life agree with you it shows, that you are most likely on the right side ......
If they don't, as it shows quite often in your case, you have to work it out.
I also believe that most people here are centered, I regards myself as centered (most often), especially in question of migration, Abos and same sex marriage.
But because you don't like those subjects or have your personal agendas with them, you claim we are lefties. No mate, we aren't.
We are human beings who know to differ between right and wrong. How come your are falling short?
Regards

 

But your right and wrong may be different to another persons right and wrong. Ethics and morals are very curly subjects with no absolutes.

 

Very true again, you are doing well today I agree with you twice. Nothing to do with indoctrination, nothing to do with being a tree huger, nothing to do with what the media reports, nothing to do with unions. It is our humble opinions, as thinking human beings who have an incredible love for this wonderful country, and it's disenfranchised original owners from who ... rightly or wrongly, for good reason or for bad, for greed or for benevolence, for our good or for theirs, we dismissed them as being less than human (I mean England, such a humane country it exported families for life for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their children), declared the country uninhabited, then systematically when about to annihilate them out of existence and therefore we needed to have no remorse for what we did. Apparently a tribe of black fellas never had the same value as a sheep.

You are right, you have and are entitled to have your opinions and I am entitled to mine. Good work, well said.

 

I know I have asked you this before, perhaps this time you will answer me. Who is 'we'?

 

and I will give you the answer I have given before I am sure, if you are too feeble minded to understand who WE is, then you definitely will not understand MY point of view so what is the use in answering your question, like you say, we each have a point of view and the right to air it. If you have trouble understanding simple statements then you would be better off doing some research so you can become enlightened.

 

I do however know what your getting at, it's called "being pedantic", it's called "mincing words", it's called "denial". We are the Australian Government and therefore by association, i.e. our country is a democracy, the government are supposed to be representative of the people, up until 1964 when the first, the first steps were made to right the wrongs. No AM we is not you, and it is not me. It was originally the "colonial" governent closely followed by the commonwealth government.

 

I have read on here that we (Australia) are not the only ones to treat our indigenous people badly, so that makes it right for us to do it too? Does it, other men bash there wives, is that OK for us to do it too, other men have sex with children, is that right then for others to do it too? I know, lets be different!

 

Of course I understand why they were classified as uncivilized. They hadn't divided their people into two classes, royalty and commoners. They distributed what they hunted and gathered equally among the people, not milking off the spoils to keep the elite class in opulence while the majority starved. They believed in equality, how bloody uncivilised of them.

 

Not really. It was tribe/family based principles of exclusion and conflict - but I love you using big colored letters and emotional tone to prop up a convenient lie makes you think you've got an important point!

 

oooooohhhhh I love it when you get all worked up about the past and start using big red letters...

 

I am sorry, they distributed goods throughout THEIR nations. They also traded with other aboriginal nations and also the Chinese. Yes they had issues and problems so did that give us the right to exterminate them, or as an early Australian Prime Minister say. "There would be nothing left of them"

 

Equality??? 'they' didn't know the meaning of the word!

 

So it is OK for you to use BIG BLACK LETTERS, talk about getting worked up because someone stole your marbles, don't worry, go tell your teacher.

 

Well you had better write a paper on it, because it is quite well researched but then I forgot, (Big red letters because I am getting all worked up about the past and being the idiot I am it's the best I can do, oh Lord please give me AM's wisdom) YOU ARE THE EXPERT, YOU WERE THERE

 

Question, is this poll of any benefit to Australians

 

So you know so much because YOU were there? There were no Aboriginal nations. There was a few hundred scattered stone age tribes who spoke different languages and were mostly antagantistic toward one another. But it is all academic now. It is mainly the mostly white Aboriginal wannabes living in the cities that keep stirring up hatred.

 

Your full of it!

 

I had a chance meeting today with an AdultMale and an AdultFemale, well two people with AM's attitude. They were driving a police car and decided to turn around and harass me, lying through their pig teeth. I asked them why they pulled me over. His response was so delightful. "You have a blown taillight" he responded. "So you were driving down the road when you saw my taillight was out. You didn't notice that my passenger was an Aboriginal and then turn around and follow me, noticing my taillight was out when I stopped at the stop sign, instead you determined while driving towards me on the opposite side of the road, and without me even applying the brakes that one of the bulbs was gone?" "No, we saw your taillight was out when you stopped at the stop sign." I told him he must be psychic as firstly he noticed my brake light was out from head on, and second he noticed it before I applied the brakes. I told him to book me and he refused, so I offered a better charge, a charge of assault of a police officer. I demanded that he book me as I wanted to take it to court, he said he did and I would receive the booking in the mail. I had better, I have his number, his car call sign and rego number.

I have had my license since the day I turned 17, I am now 61 so that is over 44 years. I have been pulled over by road side breathalyzers plenty of time and have no issues, good to see them trying to keep the drunks off the road, but in those first 39 years, I had never just randomly been pulled over. People say they find this unusual as I have for the last 19 years of that time driven hotted up cars, previously a 351 V8 XD Falcon currently an XR6 Turbo. In the last 5 years however, I have removed all references on the car that it is a turbo, but now I average a random stop, breathalyze and search roughly once a month now, it used to be twice a month or more but in the last 6 months I have spent 2 weeks a month out of Sydney and do not have my partner in the car. Coincidentally (yeah right) I only get pulled over when I have her ion the car. Now it could appear it is the Sydney police, BUT, TWICE, my partner has accompanied me to the country to visit my father. ON BOTH OCCASIONS I WAS PULLED OVER AND HAD THE CAR SEARCHED WHILE SHE WAS WITH ME.

I would say that a very large proportion of "white" people would not come up to my partners shoe laces, and I have met very few women with her attributes. She was put in an orphanage as a small child <2, when she was 12 she was allowed to return to her mother and family. This was a tremendous culture shock to her and she only lasted until she turned 15 when she applied for a scholarship at a Sydney Catholic High school. The Catholics have programs to support Aboriginal children through school while the government don't.

She and a deep feeling of being "out of place", but managed to complete her year 10 and returned to "her country". She was proud of her colour, it was what she was, she was Koori, a proud Gumbaynggirr woman, not proud of what her people had become, but proud to be a descendent of those that had lived on this continent for over 40,000 years. She ended up finding and falling in love with a young Koori man.

Things went pear shaped however and eventually she left her partner and her country, packed up her two young children and headed to Sydney to give her boys a better life. She was offered programs of training through Koori groups but wanted to do it the "mainstream" way, not looking for special treatment. She gained a certificate in early childhood eduction and was given a position at one of Sydney's more exclusive kindergartens in Surry Hills.

She recounts stories but the best was one I witnessed first hand. We were in Bunnings one day when I heard her name being yelled by a young boy. We looked down from the escalators and saw a very well dressed couple, with two young children waving frantically. We waited for them to catch up and they guy introduced himself to me. He told me what a great woman and teacher my partner was and then his eyes dropped and he said he had a confession to make. My partner immediately said not to worry, it was all water under the bridge. No he said, I have to tell the story. So he did.

When my wife and I first took our oldest son to enroll in the kindergarten we saw an Aboriginal woman sitting playing with the children. I said to the manager that it was "nice" that they were trying to do something positive for the indigenous but they didn't want her to be left in charge of their son. They told me that she wasn't a "charity case" that she was hired for her skills. He continued to tell me that his son had behavioral problems and that they had tried this school because of their reputation so he trusted their judgment although he was wary. He then told me that his son, a mile autistic child, something my partner diagnosed and pushed and pushed his parents to get a proper diagnosis but we were in denial he said. He told me that both he and his wife were barristers and when they heard about their son having a mental illness it floored them. He told me that the 2 years care that their son received changed his behaviour, had him diagnosed so ongoing medical help was available and the parenting skills they gained had been invaluable. He told me their son had just started year 7 at high school and is keeping up with his peers. He said, "I don't know where we would be if it wasn't for her, she is an angel, I am so disgusted at myself for that initial reaction to her being Aboriginal. I am sure our marriage wouldn't have lasted as we were getting to our wits end. I will remember what she did with humility and gratitude for the rest of my life"

There are a few things I see often.
1 Hardly a week goes by that we don't have a similar meeting with and ex students parents.
2 There is hardly a time that we don't get followed by security the entire time we are in shopping centres.
3 At least once a fortnight we would have some incident with the police.

She has no criminal record and neither do her two sons. Her oldest son became a tire fitter and about 2 years ago was head hunted by a major tire manufacturer and now travels the V8 race circuit fitting tires to the race cars.

AM loves using the saying, "If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck etc" but if you treat a duck like a dog, it will think it is a dog.

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I think AM had better find a new saying, try this one AM. If it swims like a fish, looks like a fish, then a dolphin must be a fish.

 

I beg to differ, it is ignorant white people that keep stirring up hatred. Just your expression "White Aboriginal wannabes" shows your hatred and ignorance. I know you won't ever see it, as you like AT can never be wrong, but your opinion is really not very high in my priorities I am afraid. What is a "White Aboriginal wannabes" anyway, is my partner one, oh she does have white blood in her, her great grandmother was pack raped by some white farm workers, if only we could find some way of removing that parasitic part of her history, I mean who the hell would want that in their genes. By the way, she reads what is written here and says she has no anger towards you, you are sick and need help she says. SHE IS RIGHT IMHO

 

Hey if your going to bring me into it and least have something interesting. Why don't you answer his point DV, instead of always playing the victim card and making it a personal whinge fest.

The only time I've had a fight with an aborigine was when he made it all up in his head. They sometimes do go off at the rocker a bit. Their biggest problem is the way they treat their women and children out in the 'communities', which is usually a drug and alcohol issue and being content to live off welfare. I feel sorry for them as a group, but its not the 'white man' anymore which is keeping them down - its most of their men folk.

 

Mate, you need to stop living in the past. Someones great grandmother being raped has no bearing whatsoever on anything today except that if it did not happen a certain person would not now exist. Like I said before, ethics and morals are a very curly subject. Perhaps all the countries of Europe and the British Isles should demand reparations from Italy for what the romans did.....
But back to the subject, depends on what is meant by 'Aboriginal culture' and 'benefit'.

 

What a great post, love you for it....
However, you won't change AM/AT or the likes, they hate your wifes guts, as they hate whatever they actually don't know, which is quite a lot.....
All the best to your family, if we only had more of your kind in our country.....
Regards