Yes, it is "theirs" and yes, they did "earn" it. Yes, I do have standards for how one achieves wealth and prosperity... we've been talking about that throughout this thread. Crony capitalism = bad, but not all corporations are led by crony capitalists. You want to demonize all corporations, but not all of them are actually bad. Yes, Apple uses slave labor. All of their equipment is built in China slave shops. I guess you haven't read about the suicide rate at their facilities? Not sure about Google, but they're feeding the NSA all of our information, so how good does that really make them? Walmart is demonized, because they're a success story and usually Conservative - just like the Koch Brothers and their corporations, and Oil companies. It's not Walmart's goal to push out the little guy, they're just tapping into communities that they see could be profitable. It's not about destroying the little guy... it's about making money. You're talking about fairness, but since when has anything been fair? And with the internet, unless you're online, you're just biding your time before you die. The little guy has been pushed out by online business for years now, and all of a sudden you're upset with Walmart?
Not just Walmart, Sir. I thought I explained that already. I guess the definition of 'earn' or 'morality' lies at the center of this subject, and what one accepts.
The companies who give millions to their CEOs being fired are using their funds (usually). It's their call to make, if they want to waste their money on some guy that screwed their company. It's their call if they want to pay employees pensions after retirement. Most of these "evil" corporations give millions to charity every year. Does that fact ever get a blimp on your screen, while you're perusing the net for corporate hate articles? So, you want me to compare rich CEOs to poor people? That is comparing apples to oranges... Comparing poor people to poor people, or rich CEOs to rich CEOs would be comparing apples to apples. All of that being said, you're still talking about crony capitalism when you're seeing the wealthy becoming more wealthy during the Great Recession we're in. This can be directly attributed to QE Spending, where the government chooses who the winners are in the stock market.
There are "Good " corporations...and "Bad" just as Citizens United claimed them as people they fit into society as such. You can shop Walmart or Costco, just as you can spend time with a jerk or a saint......we all get to decide.
And there have been over 100 places that have successfully blocked Walmart through citizen action. I believe I heard somewhere that across the border in Morgantown WV, they blocked replacing a Walmart with a superwalmart by showing that the site potentially had a native american burial ground with not a lot of proof beyond an inexact sketch of a mound of no known location and the building site had an anomalous mound on it of no known origin. Doesn't change the fact that we would be chopping wood and hunting for lamp oil right now but for corporations, big or otherwise, instead of chattering meaninglessly on the world wide walkie talkie from the warm comfort of our little electrified canopies we call home.
They'll be back, again and again to try, and succeed too. That's also in the documentary. They do not accept 'no' for an answer.
I've decided to marry into wealth and become a 'trust fund' recipient. That's the best 'work' I think of to do. Become a sixth or seventh generation inheritance recipient, and be 'successful'. That way, I needn't worry about those poor folks making nothing at Walmart, because I can add Walmart to my already stuffed portfolio, and join in on the profiteering! Success!
Inheritance isn't 'work'? I'm shocked at the lack of responsive from the 'defenders of the faith'. (those sixth and seventh generation 'recipients' that work so hard for a living).
Corporations are nothing more (or less) than groups of people who bring a willingness to work with each other, and/or investment capital to the world's economic marketplace in an association that everyone chooses to belong to. Individuals can choose to invest money in them, or not. Individuals can choose to work for them, or not. Individuals can choose to do business with them, or buy their products, or not. This is all quite simple and requires as little real thought as wiping your ass.... Why are we even discussing this?
In modern times, they most definitely are evil. Here's some examples: Monsanto Google Facebook Walmart McDonalds Burger King Starbucks Microsoft iPod (or something else that Steve Jobs created) Nike Standard Oil News Corp etc. etc. etc. (I haven't completely explored corporatism yet, but I have no doubt in my mind that there's many of them, especially in the Fortune 500) Here are some crimes committed by corporations and corporate conglomerates. Bill Gates on CNN: They Kill Children (Vaccine Safety Advocates) http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/02/bill-gates-on-cnn-they-kill-children-vaccine-safety-advocates.html The Fraud of Bill Gates, Monsanto and the Vaccine Connection http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/08/22/the-fraud-of-bill-gates-monsanto-and-the-vaccine-connection/ Bill Gates and Eugenics: The World Needs Fewer People http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=12734 The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see: Too tired to stay awake, the Chinese workers earning just 34p an hour http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1266643/Microsofts-Chinese-workforce-tired-stay-awake.html Working in a Chinese sweatshop for HP, Microsoft, Dell and IBM: http://observers.france24.com/content/20090212-working-hp-microsoft-china-serving-prison-sentence-sweatshop-dell-ibm-china YOUTUBE VIDEO - The World According to Monsanto (FULL LENGTH) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_DbVdVo-k 23 Brands Caught In Sweatshop Scandals http://www.buzzfeed.com/alexrees/23-brands-caught-in-sweatshop-scandals 2010 Sweatshop Hall of Shame http://www.laborrights.org/creating-a-sweatfree-world/sweatshops/resources/12211 List goes on and on...
But, they're not 'responsible' for anything, like an individual would be, even though they're 'legally' a person? - - - Updated - - - I concur. If people would pull their heads out of their rear ends, and challenge this crap, PERHAPS, corporations could be disassembled.
Your poll sucks. Corporations are a product of the state, without the monopoly of force assumed by government corporations couldn't exist.
Inheritance usually means that someone worked at some point. The problem is not really with inheritance imho, but with the fact that rich people don't have more children and spread the wealth around. Even a billionaire's wealth would not survive 2-3 generations of having more than 1-2 children unless they did something to maintain it. Also, I think no one responded because this rant of yours was kind of off-topic. What about people who make lots of money without forming or being part of a corporation?
If a corporation were a person, in the flesh it/he/she would be termed a Sociopath. That is not a Good Thing, is it. Such a powerful sociopath among us. Unless the chief executive is personally, in the flesh, held responsible of crimes of the corporation, they are a bad thing in the 21st Century. Like a mob a corporation diffuses ethical responsibility. I learned that one from Bobov About a mob and ethical responsibility diluted. Moi No
So you're making a point about Obama? That he should be imprisoned for his crimes? If that were the rule, no one would want to become President or a CEO. Nattering about corporations being sociopaths will win applause only from the members of Occupy Wall Street and their zombie ilk. Make a list of the best things that have been done in the last hundred years, and most of them were probably done by corporations. Government only claims to be benevolent, but its aim is power, which is gained despite the people. Corporations pursue profit, which means they have to do things that most people really want and need. The tired old tales of "exploitation" won't wash in the 21st century. Corporations do bad things too - just like people. Moi, you need to start saying things that wouldn't have been said in the 1840s.
exactly.Boy there sure are some dense people on here.Sure corporations are great.That is if you want a united states of american that is a facist dictatership.Thanks to corporations,thats what we have now. Instead of being by the people,we have a government of the corporations,by the corporations,and of the corporations. and for the truely ignorant who coem on here and say we don not. you have clearly been brainwashed and conditioned by the LAMESTREAM media. and never listen to alternative news source not controlled by them.
Those opposed to voluntary associations in general will be opposed to corporations in particular. There are those who do not see the imposition of their best intentions upon others as a usurpation of other people's best intentions for themselves; they see it as an alternative to that which is substandard. In my opinion, such a benevolent arrogance should be reserved to God and the parents of small children. My right of association is only as strong as your right of disassociation. By all means, feel free to shop somewhere else.
Where is the option for neither? It's like asking if a car is good or evil. Depending on how it is used it could be described either way. Sony and PS4 = Good. Microsoft and XBoner = Bad.
HOW you attain wealth, is the key. Inheritors go on for half a dozen generations or more (take the Johnson & Johnson fortune and their recipients, they're on their 7th generation of non workers, right now. A freeloader, is a freeloader, is a freeloader., whether it's through inheritances, or through the government. No difference. Neither worked for it.
The difference is that one is voluntary and the other is mandatory. Liberty, tolerance and charity all have a voluntary nature. Inheritances are voluntary.
I will note your inability to distinguish between the mandatory and the voluntary and calibrate the balance of my estimations of you accordingly, e.g. ignore.
lol, sooooo many problems with corporations that you can't name one. typical you. I agree with the problems of corporations being protected, mostly by limited liability, but also by subsidies and other regulations, but that's a criticism of the system (government), not of corporations themselves. Corporations exist to serve a demand - that's true, regardless of corruption or government aid (which we may just as well call corruption). But if there is no demand, the corporation will cease to exist. Therefore if a corporation is doing something evil - like the oil companies, that sell such evil oil - it's because the consumers are evil. Name me a US corporation that has a monopoly. lol, no one can comprehend your argument when you fail to articulate it
