Are Pro-Choice Americans, Pro-Choice about school?

I have a question for pro choice people. a bit unrelated to abortion. But since you believe abortion is a womans right and no one should control their right or their body....

then do you also believe that school should be an individual right? should children decide weather or not they should be going to school? should required attendence laws be taken away?

I can see the minor/adult argument coming up. That kids aren't old enough to make decisions on their own. But many pro choice-ers are for minors being able to have abortions without parental consent. So where do you stand on the issue at hand?

 

Honestly with the way the school system is going anyways we probably would be better off just letting the kids who don't want to go to school not go. School, in my opinion (and based on my personal experience with it) became the state babysitter or nanny for kids and teens. It was a place to send your kids while you went to work so they would be supervised and looked after by some adults.

Class was often times filled with kids who simply did not give a crap about school and were either disruptive or just totally inattentive. I honestly felt like I would have learned MORE if the obnoxious kids who didn't care had not been there to begin with. I can think of one class in particular where I am sad to say the teacher stooped to this very irritating student's level. The student continued to be a pain in everyone's ass and constantly egged the teacher on all period. I didn't learn ANYTHING from that class. It was a complete waste of time.

When I have my own children someday, if I have the means to do so, I will be home schooling them because I truly believe the public school system is failing so many kids.

 

we know, republicans think education = bad, home school your children if you want, were pro-choice, make a choice...

 

fair response.

lol.... I think I was one of the kids you hated in school. I always had problems with the teachers, a lot of times because I didnt take any of their (*)(*)(*)(*). I was a fairly disruptive kid, there was a lot worse kids. but I was defiantly up there.

that being said, surprisingly I am still for mandatory attendance. School was a lot of fun for me. I made most of my friends at school, I had a lot of fun times and great memories. Yes its basically like baby sitting. But imagine what kids would do if they werent at school??? I dunno that kinda scares me

Also I feel bad for homeschooled kids.... I know a few. they seem very anti-social and you can tell somethings off about them. I dunno I think public school is a good experience for everyone, even if you end up hating it.

the difference between college & highschool is like night and day. while in highschool obviously there were some stuck up people who hated my jokes, i still had tons of friends who would always joke around with me and laugh at my jokes. in college people just ignore my jokes or give me dirty looks and act all stuck up.... like seriously wtf.... haha. i'm so glad im leaving college after this year. i hate it so (*)(*)(*)(*) much.

 

I agree, classes should not be by grades but by achievement, when you master one subject you advance to the next level in that subject, this would keep the achievers achieving and get the under achievers more time to study the material

no child left behind = drag the child along even if they can't read as we do not want to embarrass them by putting them back a level

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thats a formula for a lot of 20 year olds still being in the 10th grade lol

 

probably because they are paying for the courses out of their own pocket and learning is why most are there, they choose to be there, they take it more serious then elementary school kids, although some kids took that pretty serious too


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but at the same time a lot of kids go to college just to party.

 

true, but most of them are not footing the bill either...

 

Expensive party......

 

Well honestly if the state just paid some adults to nanny the troublesome kids all day while the parents are at work then they would probably save a lot more money anyways. No need for books or school supplies. They can just let the kids play outside or indoors and provide lunches for them.

For those of us who wanted to learn we could go to school. At least that way the one's who want to get an education are separated from those who clearly did not give a crap.

Public school has it's good and bad. It's a good place for kids to socialize with their peers and learn social behaviors, what's appropriate and what's not. It's a bad place sometimes for the kids who are outcasts and have difficulty making friends, it can be a great place to be judged and ridiculed by your peers. So yeah, good and bad always comes with putting a bunch of kids together in the same place at one time.

There are ways to assure homeschooled kids don't become anti-social, one way is to have them join outside activities with other kids their age, dance, sports, etc.

It happens. I hated high school because I didn't really have any friends and the only real friend I did have at the time I had a falling out with during my sophomore year. I was pretty much a loner after that.

From my experience when you have to pay for school you tend to take it much more seriously and, not that you were making jokes in class, but if people are disruptive in class there or causing problems that's interfering with the education some students are paying for with their own hard earned money (working part time and going to school blows so much).

I like learning, but I am not really a school person either. I did a couple years in community college and then gave up and went to a vocational school for dental assisting. Sucks though because I have not found a job in my field for over a year now and I have forgotten most everything I learned. I am thinking of going back to college for things that actually interest me like Sociology, Psychology, art and writing. But only one class at a time while I work...

 

yeah that makes a lot of sense. I feel very out of place going to college. I was kinda forced into it by my parents. I wanted to join the marines with my buddy in october but they wouldnt allow it. They said I have to at least try a year of school. so that's where I am at now. working part time too while going to school. Although Im not really trying to keep up my grades as high as possible. I stopped going to math since I know I already failed that. and ive been taking a lot of days off. I cant wait for next year so i can actually do something with my life other than the same boring routine every week it gets really old.

my mom was a dental assistant for a very short time years ago. she quit after she had to inject a child with a needle. she said she hated that and couldnt do it anymore.

the weird thing about psychology is that I aced it in highschool then in college im barley passing. and its the same intro course. I like taking some classes that interest me, but the whole idea of school and going to classes that i cant stand just aggravates me. thankfully i have 1 semester to go then im done.

I believe we should make serious reforms to college that makes them more affordable for everyone. I dont think the government should be slapped with the bill but i think they should mandate lower prices and cut out a lot of useless crap that goes on at college

 

I can honestly say right now that it is nice chatting with an anti-abortion person for once. I get so much vitriol and hate from several of the lifers here that it's like we forget we're talking to real people behind the screens. It's really refreshing to find common ground with someone else that I totally disagree with on one issue.

Seriously, this is just so much more pleasant for a change. Makes me wonder why I bother coming here to bicker with anonymous folks on the net over politics...

Anyhow I must be off to sleep. Got work in the morning. Nice talking with you RTL for a change rather than arguing. xD

 

The negative effects of not educating children are tangible and real and the consequences of not doing so would affect pro-choice and pro-life people alike.

 

okay so your for the government telling you what you can and cant do with your body in some situations then. like school

 

An educated citizenry is a benefit to everyone. You have a lot of choices for education--public, private, and homeschool. Nothing that permanently damages your body, or normally risks your health or life.

 

Two different things really. I don't care where you go, just go to school. Public or private it doesn't matter.

 

tell that to the families of the victims of the Newtown Conneicut shooting or the thousands of kids who commit suicide each year to do being bullied at school, or being hounded by their parents about grades. or even the millions of kids who are emotionally scared from events that happened in school

(*)(*)(*)(*) hypocrite

 

but you say people should still be FORCED to go to school

 

Not with your body, no. If you want to cut your own arm off, that ought to be your right. Same with suicide. If you want to end your life, that should be your right. I can understand government limitations on what you can put in your body, but then the restriction there is on the substance, not your body itself. I don't think any man made law should supersede a person's control over their very own body.

 

Tragedies like Sandy Hook don't "normally" happen, do they? One is more likely to be bullied, or emotionally scarred from a LACK of education. Where did you get your education, btw?

 

Of course. Surely you understand the importance of an education. You wouldn't be on this message board writing back and forth had you not received one.

 

public school. TONS of kids commit suicide as a result of being forced to go to school, TONS of kids are emotionally scared because of what happens at school. do you deny this?

 

and if you had been aborted, you wouldnt be on this board either.... see how that works?

 

If I had never been born, my education and need for one would be moot. I would not exist.

I'm not exactly sure what kind of correlation you're trying to make here.