Are there any real Christians?

One of the best jokes I've ever heard. We should rename our Pope - or we should remember god personally he should not speak nonsense by promising animals as well as human beings something.

Christians have the highest population growth on this planet? Specially the priests of the catholic church?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiGiozxaiS0

PS: Sorry for my sarcasm but sometimes I'm also a little in stress.

 

And yet he was such a proud altar boy as a child. I wonder what happened?

 

Enjoy!

Many have a problem with birth control. The planet has to suffer the consequences.

 

I grew up with a devoutly Christian mother. I went to Church and Sunday school. I would sit in church and listen to parables in sermons and hear psalms read and wonder why these "rules" weren't followed. Every single time I went to Church, I learned of a new rule that was violated by my fellow Christians. I left the Church and never went back. Since then, my eyes have been opened. I don't see Christians as being any more kind that non-Christians. I also don't see them as being any more familiar with the Bible. In fact, I try very hard to not see them as hypocrites.

 

He became a mass-murderer - so maybe you should not discuss with a former altar boy like me. I could kill you - more than one time only.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXSwQVSrNYs

PS: Oh by the way: I doubt about wether Hitler was really once an altar boy. I read what he wrote about god in his book "Mein K(r)ampf". It was nonsense. Always. Without any exception.

 

It's subjective in nature and not only because to be Christian covers a lot of ground variance. A Roman Catholic Christian is very different from a Seventh Day Advent Christian, whom in turn is very different from a Methodist, who has little in common with a Southern Baptist. What they all seem to have in common is what all major world religions seem to have in common, which is a (again) somewhat variable belief in and reverence for The Ten Commandments. But for that matter if you compare a Japanese Buddhist to a Chinese Buddhist to an Indian Buddhist to a U.S. Buddhist you are going to (again) find variance in what each believes it is to be a Buddhist to one degree or another.

So what it means to be a Christian or a Buddhist or a Hindi or a Muslim or a Taoist depends as much on the individual's subjective interpretation as it does on standard dogma and doctrine and shared rituals. Ironically the same thing can be said regarding atheists.

 

Sure - billions of Jews everywhere in all flowers - specially in Asia, India and Africa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32n6UTg9P6w

 

To 'know' what anyone meant by a pithy comment you first need to think in that person's native language and have access to a significant amount of his or her writings; and yet even at that it definitely helps if you also share some of the same apparent philosophy; and yet even then . . . you might get it wrong. But what the hell? Speculation is always useful because when you get right down to it what really matters is what occurs between your ears. What you end up believing is what's undeniably true for you, regardless of what the rest of the world of humanity thinks about it.

 

That's your own hate talking. I challenge you to find anything in any contemporary Christian denominations' statements of faith that contains the least hint of hatred towards anyone. Go!

 

I am talking about people who call themselves Christians but obviously are not, there are plenty of them around.

 

I accept that.

 

Well said. Thank you.

 

Easy to check google.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/john_murphy/religionofhitler.html

 

Try this.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wes...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

 

If someone writes "Vermacht" (bequeathed) instead of "Wehrmacht" (defense force) and speaks nonsense about the "Gott mit uns" (god with us) button on the belt buckle of the german soldiers then he's not a reliable source for me. Hitler visited the school in Lambach - the building belonged to a monastery and monks were teachers there, but the school was a completly normal public school and not a special school for the catholic religion. Give me the name of someone who saw Hitler as an altar boy. I never found a reliable source. During the so called "Drittes Reich" (Third empire) the Nazis were not shy to close the monastery there in 1941 - where monks had lived since the year 1046, so it was elder than the great schisma. After the war the monks came back. For sure the Nazis were without any respect for this school or the monks or the monastery or the christian history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBwh1OXw6uI

 

37,000 sects surely one for every possible shade between night and day.

 

Perhaps we can agree on one thing, Hitler was an opportunist. He was prepared to swing whichever way would suit his ambitions. I mean in the spirit of this thread, what is Christianity other than individual self-designation as Christian, whatever that may mean. But folks want to make it generic so he played both sides of the Christianity street. Nothing new here in politics or religion. Remember Christians of various stripes practically invented anti-Semitism. Now that is certainly quite a stunt, make an historical Jew the basis for Jew hate. This kind of cognitive dissonance was already in Hitler's culture. This link I think does a pretty good job of going into the many faces of Hitler.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian

 

I personally organized a veterans' protest of Westboro. You'll need to do way better than this freak extremist group to make your case that Christians hate people.

 

Why?
It makes the case that scripture can be used to this purpose. The fact you don't like them or disagree doesn't change this.

 

Nobody claimed that "Christians hate people". You gotta wonder about the mind of someone
who is attempting to argue against such a shabby strawman.

 

I'm not sure ... No - not really. He was an egocentristic pragmatist and used everythgin he was able to use for his "ideas" - if this is the right word for this what might had happened in his brain - if he had brain at all. But Hitler alone explains not why so many Germans drove completly mad. We say in Germany here "the devil lies in the details" - but let me say it this way: Within a very short time - only weeks and months Hitler transformed everything in the german state of those days. There must had existed very detailed plans - they knew exactly what they did on what reason. I don't know what we could find out, if we would know more about Hitlers real master plan. With love for Germany or Germans - or love for human beings in general - had his plans for sure nothing to do. He was maybe not even able to love himselve. The strange thing is: it was unbelieveable senseless what he did. That's why many people are thinking he was a sick mad man. But indeed: If someone has a serios psychiatric problem then he's not able to become so mighty and to defend this position. He was "normal" - he was fully responsible for everything what he did. If you would be a German I would warn you to get information about Hitler always from a commented source - and not pure from Hitler directly - because maybe he used a kind of infection of the minds we don't fully undertand even today . But I guess you are protected because everything has to be first translated into the english language. On the other side: the new Nazis today are often using the english language - even in Germany. For example they are using the english expressions "blood and honor" but not the german words "Blut und Ehre".

What? ... We are biological organisms with bodily needs - we live in a socio-cultural way where we have to take respect on others and where we have to force others aNd ourselves not to destroy our lifes - we are philophers with a free mind and we are spiritual beings in the grace of the Lord. We are much more ... but what for us all should be imoprtmnat: Let us fIght for life and not for death: For all and every life. Two rules in such a context - not from the buibkle nbuztn inpsired from the bible so you might be able to see the difference: No one should hunt dogs and eat them - no one should hunt sharks and murder them by stealing their fins and throwing them back alive into the ocean where they have to die an unbelievable cruel death. The people who are doing so are like murderers. I'm not shy to say to everyone of who's eating or using any product made of sharks that god will throw him in the deepest hell. Such things have to stop forever. We human beings should fight for all and every life on planet earth. We should not be a a catastrophe for our planet. We need our planet and we are the responsible kings of this planet. Life is holy. Who's fighting against life is fighting against god. Who's not respecting life is not respecting god.

The way of us Christians has indeed two sides: We have to go in truth and love. But this is not a conflict - as long was we try to find the best possible decisions on our way. Sometimes we are making mistakes too. That's normal. God might bless everyone who's on the way home to him.

Did they? Some of the worst "idiots" in the christian history were 'antisemites': Saint Augustinus for example or Martin Luther. I admire both men - although their antisemitism is for me personally completly ununderstandable. Jesus was a Jew. Mary was a Jew, Joseph was a Jew, John was a jew, Peter was a Jew, Paulus was a Jew, Pontius Pilatus was not a Jew ... was anyone else also not a Jew? Some roman soldiers ... Whoelse? ... It seems to me the more abstract people are thinking the more they are also in the danger to become abstrahots. I fear concrete: As well Augustinus - as well Martin Luther - got some answers from Jews they did not like. This answers touched maybe the bascis of their understanding - and this caused fear within their psychological structure. But we should live only in the fear of god - not any other form of fear. So instead to trust full of love in god they started to trust in their own thoughts only - what drove them particulary crazy. No one is always right in everything what he says - but hopefully no one is also always completly wrong in everything what he says. Truth and love - that's important - for everyone. No one is in a better position. Everyone has to seek.

Perhaps you should understand first that I had jewish ancestors and lots of them were murdered from "Hitler" - and now hear what I say: That's wrong. I hope this opens now not a hidden form of antisemitism within you - but lots of people are speaking in the name of my murdered jewish ancestors without knowing really what they are speakling about - only on the reason to fight against my christian religion. So I say: Jews were - before Hitler came - as normal Germans as all others. There was no widespreaded special racism against Jews. Sometimes some idiots. Seemed to be not really important. This changed with the Nazis completelly. Hitler - the enemy of Germans and Germany - sold Jews as Capitalists (US-Americans) and Bolshewists (Commies, Russians): so he made them to representatives of "our" international enemies of world war 1. There's even some logic inside because some Americans supported the russian revolution when they thought in the beginning it was a revolution for humanity against the dark ages. Whatever ...

I'm not sure wether Hitler had a face. He used the beard of Charly Chaplin - one of the greatest Americans of history. So Americans banned Mr. Chaplin ... History is sometimes very strange ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGfTPqOnqh8

 

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Hitler was for sure not a pure opportunist - what you can see when he married Eva Braun a very short time before they did suicide. I would say the elimination of the own existance was part of Hitlers plan. Before he did so he paid his tribute to Eva Braun - without any need to do so. And you can see in this situation also that they were not Christians, because they were not married from a priest.

 

Anobsitar you are wandering into a lot of areas and I appreciate your time and effort but let me just offer a few thoughts in response. I think you are making Hitler too exotic. I think he was a product of the culture he grew up in, some of which you mention. And in that culture, religious and economically related anti-Semitism wedded to martial thinking and lots of myths, cults and conspiracy thinking was rampant. The German depression didn't help nor did Hitler's skills in rabble rousing rhetoric and organization. And of course, whatever his beliefs, he retained his links with Christian institutions, particularly the Catholic Church.

I realize it would be a little much to exactly equate Eichmann with Hitler but I think there is some value in seeing in Eichmann how "normative" Nazism was. Eichmann, the accountant for mass murder in the concentration camps, was by every psychological test a very "normal" guy. Hannah Arendt in her appropriately titled 'Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil' goes into this normal madness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem

 

I haven't seen that pic for years! had quite forgotten what a retro treasure it is, so thanks for posting that vid

the Saint Frank as portrayed in the film is quite the environmental socialist peacenic hippie animal rights campaigner - god love him. and, it must be said, quite the delicate hornbag

 

Yeah - we are the good guys. Ask Sir Thomas More.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhZljYl1cOs