Are unbelievers to be killed?

"But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”
Luke 19:27

Are unbelievers to be killed? What exactly is Jesus saying in this particular verse [aside from the obvious]?

 

You do the same thing certain Christian on here do with the Quran.

Take verses out of context.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19&version=NIV

It is a parable. Jesus (pbuh) himself did not give this command.

Not so obvious, now is it?

Furthermore...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_talents_or_minas

 

If so that would contradict you're entire view of Jesus being all "hippy" and "peace and love" which you promote - so it's pretty obvious you don't even believe what you're posting anyway.

 

Nope, he apparently is stuck in that atheist mentality of seeing rampant criminality everywhere ... butg only he can see it. Paranoia.

I mean, we all know that us Christians and Muslims have little atheist boys hanging by their wrists in our basements, just waiting for them to convert or kill them. Police routinely find these things when they search our houses ...

It would be interesting to see one of the high nosed atheists actually go to a police station and report their absurd claims. In fact, I challenge them to.

Go right ahead boys, go and tell the police that they have to arrest all the ... Baptists? Pentacostals? Because they have been commanded by God to murder atheists, and only our young hero has been able to devine the truth and prevent mass murder.

Truely, those who mix with marijuana get some awfully interesting ideas ...

 

Then what context is it to be taken?

 

What? Still haven't taken your charges to the police, eh?

Hmmm ... why should anyone else pretend that this is a serious topic of discussion then? Obviously you aren't taking your own charges seriously ...

 

Oh, BTW, there is no love in arrogance. Make sure you tell the police that.

 

Have you ever heard of the term 'cynicism'? Jesus knew that the disciples would not slay anyone because it would be a direct violation of the Commandments... so Jesus threw a challenge before them that He knew that they could not execute.

 

Read starting in verse 11 and you will see that these are words that the 'harsh ruler,' a character in Christ's parable, is saying to his servants. The point of the parable is that Christians who do not do as they should in this life and waste God's gifts to them shall be judged by God.

Why didn't you look at the context? It is quite easy to tell what is going on if you just read a few verses before and after the sentence in question. Are you trolling?

 

Which commandments? These ones?



Deuturonomy 22:23-24If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death."

Leviticus 20: 13
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20: 9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or mother, and his blood will be on his own head.

Leviticus 20: 10
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife- with the wife of his neighbor- both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Numbers 15:32-36:While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp."



JESUS CONFIRMS THE LAWS ON KILLING YOUR CHILDREN ARE FROM GOD

Matthew 15:3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother'[a] and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father[c]' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[d]"

 

To be slaughtered - after we transformed them into oxen.

I would say: no one knows. This sentence makes no sense and is completly without any context since Isaac. The god of the Jews, Christians and Muslims says: "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice". (Hos 6,6)

http://youtu.be/lFxbgwoumKQ

 

By "god of the Jews, Christians and Muslims" you mean the God that sent his Son to earth to be crucified and resurrected? Here we define "Christian" as people who believe the New Testament Jesus.

There is no one God for islam and Christianity. They are mutually exclusive.

 

The context is it is a parable.

It has nothing to do with belief or unbelief.

Jesus (pbuh) is not the one actually saying to bring everybody that won't follow me and kill them.

Do even a tiny bit of research on the Parable of the Minas, or just read the first post I made in this thread. I provided two links, one with the full context in the Bible, the other with an explanation of what it means.

 

Nope! Not those commands, but rather the 10 commandments.

 

commands have nothing to do with the judgement of commands. (put to death for dishonor)

what the lesson of matt 15 is, that religion of tradition as held by idiots, enables them to LIE and that is what is wrong.

9 and in vain do they worship Me, teaching teachings -- commands of men.'

10 And having called near the multitude, he said to them, `Hear and understand:

11 not that which is coming into the mouth doth defile the man, but that which is coming forth from the mouth, this defileth the man.'



how many know the lies of incorporeal beliefs, that defileth'eth'eth the sob's?



but let jesus, (per se) finish. I'm just reminding the good readers


15 And Peter answering said to him, `Explain to us this simile.'

16 And Jesus said, `Are ye also yet without understanding?

17 do ye not understand that all that is going into the mouth doth pass into the belly, and into the drain is cast forth?

18 but the things coming forth from the mouth from the heart do come forth, and these defile the man;

19 for out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, whoredoms, thefts, false witnessings, evil speakings:

20 these are the things defiling the man; but to eat with unwashen hands doth not defile the man.



ie..... baptism, circumcision, confessing jesus is christ, are all rituals of morons


and lies!

 

And this would be an example of full blown athtardedism.

"15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

Matthew 15:1-2 (the preceeding verses of the athtarded partial, non-contextual quote from above).

Washing hands before they eat .... actually means .... go kill your children!

Only in the fantabulous world of full on athtardedism can such a genuinely dishonest statement be made in full seriousness.

Once again, I ask the question, why should anyone take this trite seriously? A bunch lonney toons atheists who are apparently in the full delusional state of paranoia see murderers and infantacide everywhere?

That takes something truly 'special'.

 

And still you rave on about unidentified 'liars' and now you include a bunch of unidentified "idiots" and unidentified "morons". Who are those people that you talk about? Why won't you tell us who they are? Is it because you don't know who they are, or is it because you cannot identify those that you are accusing of being 'liars' and 'idiots'. Why do you refuse to substantiate your claims?

 

So which was Jesus - was he a socialist hippie who loved the poor, or a tyrant who wanted non-believers killed?

You argue that he's both, even though he can't be both at the same time. So I think you just say whatever you think will offend Christians, even if it contradicts itself.

 

Well SC, which one is most important to you? Because whichever Jesus you see ... rabid atheists will tell you the 'real' JC was the opposite. Facts left the brand of atheism on display in this thread a long, long time ago.

 

That story of the minas has some serious problems. First of all, an unpopular guy was selected by a foreign ruler to be king of some mudhole in the empire. That totally disregards the local yokels wishes. They don't get any say in who governs them. So is it any wonder that they hated him? That's reminiscent of the coup we pulled off in Iran when we installed the Shah to replace the elected leader.

 

There are numerous passages in the Bible which specify death for non-believers.

 

Do you believe in God? Do you believe that God has the authority and power to kill such a number of people? Do you believe that there is a heaven or hell? If no to all of those, then what are you worried about? Do you always worry about something that does not have any power over you or the power to kill you or the power to cause you to suffer for all eternity (by the way,,, how is it that atheists and other non-theists can be concerned with something that science has shown to be highly unlikely.... an individualized eternal suffering?)?

 

The context has three parts, started first in response to what Jesus said about "salvation has come to this house" of the wealthy chief tax collector who was charitable and honest:

1) For Freedom of Speech--“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’"-- which is necessary if we are to be free men; hence the murder for speech, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”

2) Against usury--"You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?"--which makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.

3) Against slavery--"A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return"--which is what you have when you have a ruler over you given to you by a distant country, or simply appointed.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/269453-unbelievers-killed.html

Luke 19:10 "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

He never said to kill any unbelievers.

 

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