Are we all clear now that Trump is a criminal?

Not known for being a "rabid" investigator, there is no evidence that Special Counsel Jack Smith (not a Democrat) had a "massive political agenda," of course.

The Loser might have avoided all this, once the evidence of criminal conduct was known:

One of Donald Trump’s new attorneys proposed an idea in the fall of 2022: The former president’s team could try to arrange a settlement with the Justice Department.

The attorney, Christopher Kise, wanted to quietly approach Justice to see if he could negotiate a settlement that would preclude charges, hoping Attorney General Merrick Garland and the department would want an exit ramp to avoid prosecuting a former president. Kise would hopefully “take the temperature down,” he told others, by promising a professional approach and the return of all documents.

But Trump was not interested after listening to other lawyers who urged a more pugilistic approach, so Kise never approached prosecutors, three people briefed on the matter said. A special counsel was appointed months later.

Kise, a former solicitor general of Florida who was paid $3 million upfront to join Trump’s team last year, declined to comment...

[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...d-classified-documents-indictment/ar-AA1cyH0z]

Fox News Legal Analyst Jonathan Turley Sounds Alarm on ‘Very Serious’ Trump Indictment:
‘This is a Different Ball Game’

Jonathan Turley Tells Fox News Trump Team ‘Should Not Delude Itself,’
Says Evidence in the Indictment Is ‘Going to Cause Damage’

Turley spells out grave danger Trump faces, says he could die in prison if just ‘one count’ is proven


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No, why would you think I'd send anybody to prison without a trial? Trump hasn't had a fair trial yet, and Biden hasn't been charged with accepting multi-million dollar bribes from one or more oligarch bigwigs in Ukraine, so far. Keep watching for new developments on Biden and his family "business" because that story ain't going away!

Hillary was determined to have written no fewer than 104 classified documents herself on her personal computer which was not NSA protected, in violation of the law. But, as I pointed out, FBI Director James Comey, and Obama's Atty. General Loretta Lynch let her get completely away with it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e2ee06-dbd6-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html

 

The Presidential Records Act clearly distinguishes what is Government records and what is personal records. And the PRA clearly states that all government records clearly belongs to the government such as TSSCI documents, whether they are classified or not.

From the link, it states, "Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office." It also states, "Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records."

 

I really don't care if the defendant is a Democrat, Republican, or a die-hard communist sympathizer, but the reality is, and the law, within the US Constitution, and the Supreme Court Decisions, is a defendant is alleged to have committed these crimes. That defendant can either plead guilty or not guilty. If not guilty, then the defendant will have a trial either by a jury of his peers or by a judge, based on that defendant's choosing. This does not matter if one is accused of murder, theft, or charged with sections of the Espionage Act.

I know that GOP and conservatives think Joe Biden is guilty of all sorts of things, but he is still innocent until proven guilty. The same is with one named Donald J Trump. Yes, the accusations are serious. And DJT is trying to throw as much mud on the wall to see what sticks anytime he speaks about the alleged charges.

 

All crimes are alleged. You are doing the exact same thing as conservatives, some of them, do with Joe Biden and the accusations they make towards him.

 

I've seen that video a number of times. There is ZERO evidence the video proves that objective had anything to do with Biden attempting to thwart investigation into Burisma. In fact, the evidence proves the OPPOSITE.

Here are the multiple sourced FACTS, debunking your right wing meme every which way and up one side and down the other. .


GOP senator says he doesn’t remember signing 2016 letter urging ‘reform’ of Ukraine prosecutor’s office
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told reporters Thursday he did not recall signing a letter urging reforms in the office of the Ukrainian prosecutor President Trump has alleged former Vice President Joe B…
thehill.com

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html
Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story
www.independent.co.uk

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

Republicans wanted Shokin removed, as well:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ctual-conspiracy-theory-or-anything-close-it/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/poli...oed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal
Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story
www.independent.co.uk

Factchecking right wing lies
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ecking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate/


(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)


TIMELINE -Key dates in the U.S. political controversy over Ukraine
Some Democrats are calling for the impeachment of U.S. President Donald Trump over reports that he asked his Ukrainian counterpart to launch an investigation that could damage his Democratic political rival Joe Biden.
www.reuters.com
www.reuters.com

April 21, 2014: Biden, then vice president, visited Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, in a show of support for the country’s government amid rising tensions with Russia.

May 13, 2014: Burisma Group, a private company that has drilled for natural gas in Ukraine since 2002, announced that Hunter Biden would be joining its board. Around that time, Burisma’s founder, a former government official named Mykola Zlochevsky, was under investigation for alleged money laundering by Britain’s Serious Fraud Office.

Dec. 8, 2015: Biden visited Kiev again and spoke out against bureaucratic corruption that he said was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had been widely accused of corruption, was removed.

Shokin had investigated Burisma but the probe was dormant at the time Biden pushed for the prosecutor’s termination, Bloomberg reported earlier this year, citing a former Ukrainian official.

March 29, 2016: The Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Shokin.

Jan. 23, 2018: Biden, at a Council on Foreign Relations event, detailed how he had threatened to withhold funds from Ukraine if Shokin was not removed.

April 2019: Hunter Biden’s term as a Burisma board member expired and he stepped down from the company.

May 16, 2019: Bloomberg quotes Ukraine’s current top prosecutor as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden or his father.

 

Some of us old fashioned types actually prefer to wait until a court of law adjudicates guilt before we pass judgment on guilt for ourself.

But if you hate Trump you don't need no stinking trial.... You've already convicted him in your mind

 

True, but we can have opinions based on publicly available facts. How many on the right are saying 'HIllary is innocent until proven guilty"????

****, they shouted 'lock her up' as a mantra at Trump rallies, I mean, give me a break.

 

That's ridiculous. The number one reason why you wouldn't, even if you wanted, is because you CAN'T. That's why I used the word "would".

I think I've done enough "keep watching" to last a lifetime from all the other times you guys on the MAGA side have announced all these "indictments" against democrats and then don't even.... show any evidence. So let me know when any of them are indicted and before a judge. Otherwise, it's just not worth the time to "keep watching" how the right keeps ridiculing themselves in the end when they exonerate everybody of any criminal wrongdoing. The first ten times you had me researching the accusations myself to try and find out what the proof was. Now I understand that "Keep watching" is just another MAGA bumper-sticker.

 

Hmm.. Willful ignorance. So joe takes a 10 Million dollar bribe, and he does.... i think that's what they call a conspiracy and in most circles (although I'm sure you won't find you in that group) treason. But hey, you do you.

 

Whether any charges are ever contrived against the President, or the failed fatwa of the Trump Justice Department to "Lock her up!" is ever resurrected, are speculative.

The reality, on the other hand, is that the sexual abuser and 2020-Loser-in-Denial has been indicted on 37 counts based upon evidence submitted to a grand jury and, media hype and fund-raising frenzy aside, that will be adjudicated in a court of law. Whether he is convicted of any or all charges by a jury of his peers is yet to be seen, although it is likely that his defense attorneys will review the evidence and decide that endless postponements is the best strategy.

 

You made that up, or are parroting unsubstantiated bushwa as a desperate diversion from an actual 37-count indictment.

Be sure to let everyone know if the machinations of the President or of Hillary Clinton ever cross over into the realm of actual litigation.

 

No, I didn't make that up. Evidently, the executive of the company that paid Joe made recordings of his conversations with Joe. And Grassley found the document that the FBI had IN F'IN 2020... and did nothing about it.. and is making it public. I get it. You cannot answer for the criminal acts of Biden. And instead, you're willing to latch onto Biden's deflection by indicting Trump over things that frankly aren't criminal acts using his DOJ to attack him. You seem to believe that anyone is taking the indictment seriously. And all the while, you plug your ears, and reject any actual evidence that your little criminal in chief petty little dictator Joe is actually the person who needs to be in jail.

 

Try to distinguish:

At present, Trump has been indicted on 37 counts by a grand jury. The evidence will be assessed by a jury of his peers.

Even his VP, his Attorney General, and other prominent Republicans have acknowledged the gravity of the charges he is facing.

His Chief of Staff has described him as "scared shitless."

At present, the President has not been indicted on any counts by any jury. He is charged with nothing.

In the future, President Biden may shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

If and when he does, you can be sure that he will be indicted.

Attempted diversions to others who have not been indicted for shooting someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue will be properly dismissed.

Please try to ween yourself off the attempts at diversion and honestly confront Trump's very real plight under American jurisprudence.

 

Your ability to regurgitate the morning headlines is quite remarkable. It doesn't give any of your citations any amount of credibility. Does it not worry you that the US President sold his access and power to foreign nationals? Lots of us consider this treason. But apparently, you don't. Good to know.

 

If you are unable to distinguish between actual, substantive, evidence-based indictments and speculative, self-serving accusations, then you can't.

That is unfortunate.

 

funny. You didnt when Trump tried to do it.

Your ability to selectivly apply logic to only liberals always totally amazes me.

 

Good folks like Trump?

 

Deep insights, there Darth. You've really got into the details..

 

One hopes that you recite this over and over into a mirror. Cheers.

 

I fail to see what if any point you were trying to make here. "when trump tried to do" what? The current allegation is that Biden, while VP took a bribe that then translated into blackmailing the Ukrainians to fire a prosecutor in satisfaction of the bribe. I don't find that Trump ever did such a thing.

 

Not as remarkable as yours to deny it. But even that has a limit. Not even denial is an option (except for the very deep cultists in the Trump cult). The only alternative is making up unsubstantiated whataboutism.

Just so you know... whataboutism only works with the Trump cult. Doesn't help you with normal folk.

 

What have I denied? I acknowledged that these are, in fact, the morning headlines. How convenient to mask or try to deflect from the recordings that the FBI sat on that describe the bribes Biden and family took in Ukraine... I still haven't seen you attempt to address these, why is that?

 

Show.
Me.
The.
Evidence.

So far you have a bunch of RWers CLAIMING this money was paid to Biden.

As far as actual evidence of any such payments? Bupkis.

 

Show.
Me.
The.
Evidence.

So far you have a bunch of RWers CLAIMING there was these tapes.

As far as the actual tapes? Bupkis.