Are we all clear now that Trump is a criminal?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Trump will escape incarceration.

    I've had friends who are Secret Service agents assigned to presidents, ex-presidents, and their families, and none should be relegated to the slammer for someone else's iniquity.
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It’s Trump haters that should be investigated starting with you.
     
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  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I never thought I'd be saying this but... watch Fox! Even THEY have been showing the proof!
     
  4. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't give a crap about pointing out anybody's crimes. I don't give a crap about Biden going to prison, if he committed any crimes. What I'm just sick and tired of is the right accusing people, then spending billions to investigate them, only to end up exonerating them. Look at Hillary: the most exonerated politician in history. How much did all those investigation cost? House Committees, Senate Committees, FBI, Durham..... everybody and their neighbor investigated her. And they ALL ended up exonerating her of any criminal wrongdoing. Why would Biden be any different? Face it! Republicans are LOUSY investigating crimes. Either that, or Democrats are innocent angels. Your pick!
     
  5. Hey Now

    Hey Now Well-Known Member

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    Crystal...
     
  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What is wrong with you guys! You want the secret service banging down your doors???

    Control yourselves! Trump is just a man... not a deity! You don't need to be THIS desperate just because it's so clearly inevitable that he will be convicted, that you put your own integrity and that of your families on the line for him!

    Get a grip!
     
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  7. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    In stark contrast to all the fruitless partisan targeting, you have the sucessful Republican Special Counsel Robert Mueller, appointed by Republican Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in the Republican Trump Administration who indicted, convicted or elicited guilty pleas from 34 people and 3 companies, including top advisers to Trump, Russian spies and hackers with ties to the Kremlin.
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    To be a criminal and for that definition to apply, he has to be convicted.
     
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  9. dairyair

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    I don't have a side. I want equal treatment to similar actions.

    Although trump was not impeached for bribery, but for obstruction
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    In which case?
    Tax fraud in NYC
    Taking NARA documents and not returning them when requested.
    Obstruction of return of said documents. Although he is only charged at this time. The courts will determine guilt or innocent.

    Now, name Biden crime.
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The definition says otherwise. ALL definitions in common dictionaries I have found disagree with you. Dictionaries reflect the meaning of words as used colloquially by any average educated native speaker. All dictionaries support the definition I quoted.
     
  12. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Try to overcome your emotional reaction and soberly assess the plight of the accused:

    Trump faces a formidable task defending against charges that he illegally kept top-secret documents upon leaving the White House in 2021, according to legal experts, who say neither the law nor the facts appear to be on his side...

    The 37 counts against him include violations of the Espionage Act, conspiracy to obstruct justice and making false statements to investigators.

    National security law experts were struck by the breadth of evidence in the indictment which includes documents, photos, text messages, audio and witness statements. They said this made a strong case for prosecutors’ allegation that Trump illegally took the documents and then tried to cover it up…

    Trump's greatest peril could lie in the conspiracy to obstruct justice charges, which carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

    Legal experts said the evidence appears to show that Trump was aware he had documents in his possession that were subject to a subpoena but refused to turn them over and encouraged his lawyers to mislead the FBI.

    "That's about as clear a case of obstruction as you could imagine," said Clark Neily, a legal expert at the conservative Cato Institute….

    Obstruction of justice is a particularly difficult charge to defend against, attorney Mark MacDougall said. “It offends people. Hiding things from a lawful legal process. Most people understand why that’s a crime," he said.

    Legal experts said Trump's alleged years-long effort to conceal documents was likely a major factor in Special Counsel Jack Smith's decision to indict him.


    [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...odds-in-classified-documents-case/ar-AA1cvEJj]

    Don't be surprised when Trump's defense team recognizes that the best they can do is delay, defer, and postpone his fate for as long as they can, as he rages hysterically to bilk his worshipers.

    Eventually, Lady Justice is going to show that she can grab the lowlife by the pµssy.
     
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  13. Patricio Da Silva

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    'Tis no longer minimal,
    Hardly subliminal, yes,
    most certainly,
    Trump is a criminal.
     
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  14. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Uh, small problem with your 'meme'.

    There is no evidence that Joe Biden took a bribe.
     
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    Democrats would probably have impeached him for indicting Hilary. They would have had to wait a while till they got the majority.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how a rational person could deny it at this point.
     
  17. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    They haven't shown **** all. No one has. All we know is what the FBI said. It's not like they wouldn't lie. Especially when it comes to burning Trump.

    Ask yourself this question:. The National Archives said they were missing 197 documents. The FBI does a search and son-of-a-bith, they find exactly 197 documents.

    Biden had hundreds of documents, for 14 years and the National Archives had no idea he had them.

    How does that make sense?
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    It's very relevant. Prosecuting Trump and no one else proves that Trump isn't receiving equal treatment under the law. That violates the Constitution.
     
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    I think you mean proof, which means we have pretty much reached a conclusion. Evidence is anything that might help reach but not actually be a proof or conclusion.



    So far, ignoring subpoenas and being in contempt is fine when the left does it.
     
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  20. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Many criminals are being prosecuted.

    Since Republicans haven't been able to contrive any prosecutable evidence against the President, among others, they have not brought any charges against him.


    Meanwhile, so many Republicans who suffered close encounters of the trumpy kind and are concerned for our national security are nor sanguine regarding the Loser's prospects.


    Former White House chief of staff John Kelly said that
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    Trump is “scared shitless!”
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    And yet you don't have any proof. And you have NEVER shown any actual proof, just other folks who say it. That isn't proof. And yes, there are or seem to be tapes of Biden being bribed. Fun stuff.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    So that's a no? You don't seem very interested in seeing Biden held accountable for his treacherous and criminal acts. Why is that? Do you really suppose that no one cares that Biden was bribed?
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Good question. Why don't you think Biden has committed crimes? He took NARA docs. he failed to return them, or even note he had them. He's obstructed and an all investigations into his son's alleged crimes. He's sold access and received bribes from foreign nationals.. he blackmailed a foreign country and bragged about it on video... I mean there's an F'in list man.
     
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    Just for giggles, under what circumstances would prosecuting Trump be Constitutional?

    Go ahead, lay them out.
     
  25. Patricio Da Silva

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    Except that the right does it in wholesale quantities (Trump directing his entire staff, before the fact, to ignore subpoenas), a small detail you deliberately excluded.

    I mean the kind of evidence that would easily persuade a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

    All the 'evidence' provided by the right thus far will fall apart on cross examination.

    why? It's not actually proof of anything. It's all innuendo.
     

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