That was my point. Even today's doctors are "spoiled" by modern equipment and probably will not know what to do with a heart attack if their electronics go bad. Not to mention ordinary people, who don't know s**t about medicine.
Agreed, but that also depends upon where one lives. A bunker can be secure, but the air vents can be blocked by those who know where it is.
Doubtful that a doctor can't recognize a heart attack without a modern black box....if that was the case with yours, I suggest finding another doctor. Which was my point; if you're the only person, or one of a few, with medical training, you'd be an asset to the group and protected....unlike Joe Schmo who would be assigned scout or wall duty all the time.
Correct. As Tom Waits sang, "We're all gonna be just dirt in the ground". However, it's more fun to hang around as long as possible just to see what happens.
Or smoke to drive the occupants out...A good primer for what could happen is The Walking Dead. Zombie apocalypse or economic destruction, doesn't matter the aftermath would be the same.
Agreed. History gives some actual examples of breakdowns in the social structure. The collapse of the Western Roman empire is a classic one. The link below https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse By reversion or simplification[edit] Akkadian Empire Hittite Empire Mycenaean Greece The Neo-Assyrian Empire Indus Valley Civilization Angkor civilization of the Khmer Empire Han and Tang Dynasty of China Anasazi (disputed) Western Roman Empire Izapa Maya, Classic Maya collapse Munhumutapa Empire Olmec By absorption[edit] Sumer by the Akkadian Empire Ancient Egypt by the Libyans, Nubians, Assyria, Babylonia, Persian rule, Greece, Ptolemaic Dynasty, and the Roman Empire[31] Babylonia by the Hittites Etruscans by the Roman Republic Ancient Levant Classical Greece by the Roman Empire Dacians by the Roman Empire Eastern Roman Empire (Medieval Greek) of the Byzantines by the Arabs and Turks Modern North East Asian civilizations Qin, Song, Mongol and Qing China Tokugawa Shogunate of Japan, ending with the Meiji Restoration Aztecs by the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire Incas by the Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire By extinction or evacuation[edit] Cahokia Original Rapa Nui civilization on Easter Island (disputed) Lost cities Norse colony on Greenland Original Polynesian civilization on Pitcairn Island Malden Island Flinders Island Aboriginal Tasmanians
They say physical examination is a lost art. A physician needs graphs and electronic readings written by something other than themselves to protect themselves from the crooked trial lawyers.
Me neither. How in the hell does one 'get ready' for a thermonuclear war? No matter how much 'stocking-up' you do, every single thing you have, including your life and the lives of those you care about can be destroyed, confiscated, or stolen in a matter of days, either by the "enemy", or by other people who have already lost everything and are perfectly willing to kill you and take whatever you have left....
Yes, he probably can but won't be able to do much about it without modern equipment. That was my point. Can you imagine a dentist with a set of pliers and nails instead of his modern dentist machine... and without anesthetics? No photo-polymers, no air turbines, no antibiotics to combat infection?
Just because the mortality rate increases due to a loss of tech doesn't make all medicine worthless. We wouldn't be going back to the stone age, just the pre-electronic age. As for dentists, pliers to removed an abscessed tooth are preferable to death.
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Yeah well ya got a problem bub, your out of control bloviated military spending is socialism for the benefit of the military/surveillance/industrial complex, global arms dealer corporations and the military contractor industry thieves like Eric Prince. Other nations are not going to economically cannibalize their own societies just because a bunch of spoiled american corporatist socialists tell them to.
ROFL retreading the same argument, including the same graphic isn't an intelligent response. Similarly, you inability to reply to my point that the economies of all those countries is much smaller than that of the US. Three more factors to consider are: 1) The US is separated from all those countries by two massive bodies of water on a planet that is 75% water. They are all connected by land. A ship is more expensive than boots. 2) Most of the US budget goes to tech. We have the finest tech in the world and that tech costs money. Compare the US military with the Russian military. Our budget is about 10 times that of Russia, but our troop numbers are only 2 times that of theirs. The difference is tech; Naval, Air Force, Space and weaponry. 3) If our lame allies need to put on their big boy pants and start acting like allies by upping their military budgets to carry their own weight. One alternative is for the US to pull back and let terrorists and rogue nations roll over them until they do.
Your spending is what it is, and the effects on your society and economic system are what they are; endless rolling rationalizations notwithstanding. Additionally, we do not leverage our military for defense. We as a society leverage our military to occupy lands, extract the resources and wealth of other societies, and and attempt maintain global control for the privatized benefit of our corporate and Wall Street elites.
Nice opinion, kid. When you want to discuss facts and the realities of global politics, let me know. In the meantime, China's military budget continues to increase as they build up their navy and their total number of military personnel is twice that of the US.
I have no problem with ending the USA defending other nations, and letting those nations fend for themselves. Conservatives in the USA have argued for that ever since the Cold War ended in the 1990's. Nations like the UK and Germany have let the USA subsidize their defense while they shift money to social programs. Let the UK and Germany pay for their own defense, and as a secondary result let them deal with the consequences of their massively expensive social programs.
Yeah, but see, I saw the comparative graph you don't want to look at, so, ... Fine with me, I'm good with the status quo. In the long run it is unsustainable and it'll crumble. I'm good with that.
I agree with you. I think how long you survive depends largely on your health, who you know, how well armed you are and where you live. Those who are younger, in good health, live in a rural area & are well armed would probably last the longest but what kind of life would it be if you did survive a distant nuclear blast & had to deal with predatory thugs 24/7. Hold out as long as you can, enjoy what's left of your life as best you can, protect your loved ones but when it's over, it's over. Preventing a WW3 is the best option.
Nah, no one has ever talked about cutting Israel loose or staying out of the middle east. We've got way to much invested in the destabilization of the region to walk away. And the only reason we subsidize anyone else's defense is so we can sell them arms, it's merely the privatization of US public funding; money laundering.
Not one person in ten would be able to live off the land like that for months at a time, even if they knew how to hunt and fish. Probably not even one person in a hundred.
