Armed Teachers in School. Thoughts?

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  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    There is another word I'd like to use. But I'll settle for simply stating that your post here is false. And I won't be responding to any further attempts by you.
     
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    In other words you have no defense for you being disingenuous.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Studies show that the main influence on kids is their peer group. We all like to think we were shaped by our parents but the fact is it was mainly our friends:no:
     
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    In some aspects of our life peers can have influence. But my morals, work ethic, sense of humor, drive, compassion, etc were definitely influenced by my parents.
     
  5. FAW

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    How is enacting rules aimed at what you are calling "grooming" such as the Florida law, somehow dehumanizing to all teachers? Wouldnt that be like concluding that since they have laws against rape, that they are therefore calling all men rapists?

    Rules and laws that govern conduct in no way imply that everyone is guilty of what those rules and laws are trying to prevent.
     
  6. Moonglow

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    I never said the law was the problem, the false accusations using a broad brush are.
     
  7. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The discussion relating to teachers and potential grooming is that they want rules in place to prevent specific behaviors.

    Calling this dehumanizing to all teachers is nothing more than bombastic bluster. To pretend like all teachers take personal offense to these rules is a twisting of reality.
     
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  8. Moonglow

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    When people have knee-jerk reactions to the echo chamber it shows.
     
  9. FAW

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    I guess since you did not bother to refute what I just said that my point stands.

    The discussion relating to teachers and potential grooming is that they want rules in place to prevent specific behaviors.

    Calling this dehumanizing to all teachers is nothing more than bombastic bluster. To pretend like all teachers take personal offense to these rules is a twisting of reality.
     
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    Your point never had legs.
     
  11. FAW

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    Then why did you try changing the subject rather than refuting it?
     
  12. Moonglow

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    The law passed by Florida never mentions the word "gay". If you think the teachers are grooming you should see the religions and TV and their level of grooming.
     
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    How is this a reply to anything I have said?

    I find this reply puzzling to say the very least. Are you arguing against a point that has not been raised?
     
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    Well considering the bulk of teachers are DNC I'd suspect it be self inflicted carnage!

     
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    Training isn't all that expensive. Most everyone I know who hunted as a youth had to take hunters safety course.
    Everyone who buy a gun should show proof they have taken a safety course on handling a gun.

    There are many school districts across the USA that aren't in well off areas or even cities. If you think it's affordable to all school in the country, then it can be affordable to those who wish to purchase a gun. It's a very small part of the cost of owning a gun.

    It would not be any more unconstitutional than requiring special license and training to own an automatic rifle.
    We already infringe on many arms that one can bear, land mines, claymores, LAWs, etc.
    Where we want to infringe for safety of all Americans is nothing but a line in the sand.

    What you laid out if very good. But I don't think we should limit it to teachers. I think it would be great for every gun owner to have those skills and training.

    YW
     
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    The teachers are among the casualties. So, if they want to die to spite us, thats on them...lol
     
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    So only teachers should no how to properly handle a firearm. Seems rather silly to me.

    Most felons don't carry guns, especially if they want to remain a free citizen.
     
  18. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Training courses run about 300 bucks a day. They aren't cheap.
     
  19. dairyair

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    Where?

    If the requirement was put in place, there'd be thousands of students and the price can drop. you know, supply and demand.

    ...
    https://www.handgunsafetycourse.com/

    Although, this one is online. I would expect any legit course to have at least 1 live fire exercise.
     
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  20. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Here, for starters...

    https://valor-ridge.myshopify.com/pages/classes

    You got it backwards, there would be more demand for training, so the price would go up. But, even if the prices remained the same, 300 bucks a day is expensive as hell.

    Yes, legit training classes are in person and use live rounds.
     
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    I taught high school for 30+ years and I can assure you most teachers would quit rather than carry a firearm. Many will quit rather than work in a school where some teachers are armed. We already have a difficult time getting enough qualified teachers.

    I would never consider carrying in a school because it would fundamentally change my relationship with students.
     
  22. LangleyMan

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    States with unions fire teachers at about the same rate as states without unions. My guess is you have no idea why (hint: tenure isn't the reason).
     
  23. LangleyMan

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    They may be saved from the full impact of their attacks by a recession.
     
  24. Pro_Line_FL

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    Arming groomers / perverts.......the mind of a pseudo-con is a mysterious place.

    Either they trust teachers or they don't, and their actions have proven that they do not.
     
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    Once it was a viable business, there'd be classes popping up all over the place.

    I've seen classes listed for a $200 for the entire class and certification.

    In some states, kids take hunters safety classes for free. Likely paid for by the school. It's no where near $300/student.
    Just because one is able to charge that price doesn't mean it's the normal price.


    EDIT:

    I didn't see a cost at your link.
    But it looks like some classes are pretty intense. More than just basic safety. As all that IMO should be required is basic safety on how to handle a weapon and proof that one can shoot as required.
     
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