Army searching for a new rifle

I know there were a few issues with the M-14 but never saw a cook off happening with the M-14 but saw more than a few cook offs with the M-60 machine gun.

The Gutenberg.org has excellent articles on all military weapons. Here's the one for the M-14. -> http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/M14_rifle

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I know that the Navy still uses M-14's as well for various jobs in the fleet.

I have to wonder how badly worn the barrels are by now. This is a really old gun.

That's why it makes sense to me to go the full nine yards and start over with a whole new caliber.

308 is a bit too large while 223 is a bit too small.

6.5x50 like the Japanese used during WW2 seems right.

 

Yes I do. It was a war. 4500 lost in that war

 

Came across this Youtube video. Jap 6.5X50 WW ll surplus ammo. Interesting, aluminum jacketed bullet instead of a copper jacket.

 

I never saw that happen at Ft. Ord, Ca in 1962. I recall the magazine holding 20 rounds I believe. Been a long time ago and the M-14 I had issued in Germany was never fired by me. I never so much as cleaned it.

 

Combat deaths alone do not make a war.

These occur from skirmishes too.

We lose 30,000 lives in traffic in the USA every year, and that is not war.

Another 40,000 commit suicide within the USA each year as well, and that is also not war.

Do you want to call those war because they exceed your own 4500 combat deaths from skirmishes.

I would not call anything since 1953 war.

Iraq and Afghanistan were not war. They were protracted insurgencies with lots of lives wasted.

 

Aluminum is cheaper than copper. The Japanese where having a hard time getting copper.

I suppose aluminum works as well as anything else though. It is soft like copper.

Wonder if aluminum jams less or more than copper does?

 

It's not your call though. Please read the encyclopedia of the Iraq war. Will help you understand what those of us that fought in it went through.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Iraq-War

 

Ok sure that was YOUR war.

But the USA has not been in any real war since Korea.

Like it or not.

 

That's just your opinion though. The facts state otherwise.

 

Your opinion of the so called facts are a fallacy of false authority.

Anyone who has studied warfare for any length of time knows that these policing actions of the past 64 years have not been war.

The truth always hurts.

A lot of people died ultimately for nothing.

Be glad you got back alive and in one piece.

Don't overglorify the past 64 years.

They overglorified it for you to train your brain to do their beck and call.

Now you're free again. As am I.

 

war
wôr/
noun
noun: war; plural noun: wars

1. 1.
   a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

 

I know how the dictionary works, thank you very much.

May I be in charge for a while ??

 

It takes a long, long time -- decades -- to get over the military brainwashing.

 

So we agree that it's by definition a war.

 

We don't agree on anything.

I told you Korea was the last WAR that the USA was involved in.

From that revelation to you it has been a ping pong game back and forth accomplishing nothing.

You are obviously still brainwashed from boot camp.

It will take decades before you get over it.

 

But you've been proven wrong. I proved to you with multiple sources that it's a war. You have just given me your opinion.

Also, a tip: Army is Basic Training, Navy/Marines boot camp

 

... back and forth ... and forth and back ...

You've proved nothing.

Don't make me iggy you for your fallacies.

 

It's not a ping pong. Maybe you think it is. The war in Iraq was certainly a war, as proven. Just like Korea, Vietnam, and others. I think what you're trying to argue is that war was not DECLARED in Iraq. Is that what you mean to say?

 

I'm wondering if this guy with the JAP WW ll 6.5X50 ammunition has it wrong. What he thinks is an aluminum jacketed bullets is actually cupronickel jacketed bullets. Cupronickel looks like aluminum.

Japan had to import almost all of it's natural resources and even the USA had a shortage of aluminum during WW ll and it takes a whole lot of energy to produce aluminum.

(I hate using Wikipedia)

 

I on the other hand love Wiki. It is the best initial source for further primary sources. And it is usually right.

Cupro-nickel is news to me.

I know that all the precious and semi precious metals alloy easily together.

Nickel is cheaper than copper. So alloying it makes sense.

Brass is copper and zinc, and zinc is cheaper still.

I thought ultra cheap casings were mostly zinc.

Most of our coins now are mostly zinc. Actual nickel or copper or god-forbid silver would be way too expensive for coins these days.

So I don't get where cupro-nickel would be cheaper or any better than brass.

Oh well, the Japanese were in a bind. They managed to get the whole world mad at them during WW2 -- same as Adolf did.

 

I just bought a bunch of zinc screws 2 1/2 and 3 inches long to reinforce my front door with. There was a news segment on tv saying the short 1 inch screws on most door locks are easy to kick-in. Whereas 2 1/2 to 3 inchers are almost impossible to kick-in.

I don't want my new place to be burglarized like the last one.

 

I saw a combat grunt's post on another forum on just this subject. He was a SAW gunner and he thought the best way to suppress or kill the bad guys shooting at them from over 400 meters away was with a SAW. He thought if more grunts had them than scoped M-14's or DMR's that the bad guys would be more effectively put down, or at least suppressed until the mortar or rockets or other assets could take them out.

He said that most grunts are not able to effectively shoot with any rifle past 400 meters, so he didn't feel they needed more of the 7.62's.

 

Not so, between my last enlistment and my first retirement check it all melted away. Why are you so delicate?

 

It depends on the intensity of the experience, I suppose.

If you went to USAF basic and then into supply I can see why it was easy -- logistics for an air base (military airport).

Semper Fi.