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    We can't we can just help them to hold up.
     
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    Why is brassiere singular, and panties plural?
     
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    So how does any of that support the idea that humans evolved from other species?
    If He didn't perform miracles, then He was a charlatan. What's good or noble about that?
     
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    Gods ways arenot our ways.
     
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    Wasn’t Christ suppose to be in his image ?
    Oh, “he” doesn’t really care then how people live their lives. Why should we ?
     
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    quoted from gotquestions.org Why does God allow evil.

    1) God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin. This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him and His creation.

    Instead, God made Adam and Eve innocent but with the ability to choose good or evil. Because of this, they could respond to His love and trust Him or choose to disobey. They chose to disobey. Because we live in a real world where we can choose our actions but not their consequences, their sin affected those who came after them (us). Similarly, our decisions to sin have an impact on us and those around us and those who will come after us.

    2) God could compensate for people’s evil actions through supernatural intervention 100 percent of the time. God would stop a drunk driver from causing an automobile accident. God would stop a lazy construction worker from doing a substandard job on a house that would later cause grief to the homeowners. God would stop a father who is addicted to drugs or alcohol from doing any harm to his wife, children, or extended family. God would stop gunmen from robbing convenience stores. God would stop high school bullies from tormenting the brainy kids. God would stop thieves from shoplifting. And, yes, God would stop terrorists from flying airplanes into buildings.

    While this solution sounds attractive, it would lose its attractiveness as soon as God’s intervention infringed on something we wanted to do. We want God to prevent horribly evil actions, but we are willing to let “lesser-evil” actions slide—not realizing that those “lesser-evil” actions are what usually lead to the “greater-evil” actions. Should God only stop actual sexual affairs, or should He also block our access to pornography or end any inappropriate, but not yet sexual, relationships? Should God stop “true” thieves, or should He also stop us from cheating on our taxes? Should God only stop murder, or should He also stop the “lesser-evil” actions done to people that lead them to commit murder? Should God only stop acts of terrorism, or should He also stop the indoctrination that transformed a person into a terrorist?

    3) Another choice would be for God to judge and remove those who choose to commit evil acts. The problem with this possibility is that there would be no one left, for God would have to remove us all. We all sin and commit evil acts (Romans 3:23; Ecclesiastes 7:20; 1 John 1:8). While some people are more evil than others, where would God draw the line? Ultimately, all evil causes harm to others.

    Instead of these options, God has chosen to create a “real” world in which real choices have real consequences. In this real world of ours, our actions affect others. Because of Adam’s choice to sin, the world now lives under the curse, and we are all born with a sin nature (Romans 5:12). There will one day come a time when God will judge the sin in this world and make all things new, but He is purposely “delaying” in order to allow more time for people to repent so that He will not need to condemn them (2 Peter 3:9). Until then, He IS concerned about evil. When He created the Old Testament laws, the goal was to discourage and punish evil. He judges nations and rulers who disregard justice and pursue evil. Likewise, in the New Testament, God states that it is the government’s responsibility to provide justice in order to protect the innocent from evil (Romans 13). He also promises severe consequences for those who commit evil acts, especially against the "innocent" (Mark 9:36-42).

    In summary, we live in a real world where our good and evil actions have direct consequences and indirect consequences upon us and those around us. God’s desire is that for all of our sakes we would obey Him that it might be well with us (Deuteronomy 5:29). Instead, what happens is that we choose our own way, and then we blame God for not doing anything about it. Such is the heart of sinful man. But Jesus came to change men’s hearts through the power of the Holy Spirit, and He does this for those who will turn from evil and call on Him to save them from their sin and its consequences (2 Corinthians 5:17). God does prevent and restrain some acts of evil. This world would be MUCH WORSE were God not restraining evil. At the same time, God has given us the ability to choose good and evil, and when we choose evil, He allows us, and those around us, to suffer the consequences of evil. Rather than blaming God and questioning God on why He does not prevent all evil, we should be about the business of proclaiming the cure for evil and its consequences—Jesus Christ!
     
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    quoted from gotquestions.org Is Jesus God did Jesus ever claim to be God.

    John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

    Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

    In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

    The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
     
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    There is no meaningful relationship between any god with infinite powers and a fallible humanoid. Why would we try to establish a meaningful relationship with a gnat. What is god doing ? Entertaining himself by watching us kill each other ?

    Who are these special people who wrote the Bible and could not just ask god to speak to us all directly. Seems a little conspiratorial.m
     
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    Here is proof that the God of the Bible is real. Quoted from crossway.
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    I was once full of confidence that Darwinism justified my atheism. I felt I had investigated the issue sufficiently, having studied biology, chemistry, geology, anthropology, and other sciences. No doubt about it—natural selection acting on random variation had put God out of a job.

    But then I began to go beyond the obvious, to set aside my prejudices, to ask questions I had never posed before, and to pursue the clues of science and history wherever they led. Instead of letting naturalism limit my search, I opened myself to the full range of possibilities.

    Frankly, I wasn’t prepared for what would happen. The facts of science systematically eroded the foundation of Darwinism until it could no longer support the weight of my atheistic conclusions. After two years of intensive scientific research I came to a startling conclusion—the data of the physical world points powerfully toward the existence of a Creator.



    POSSIBILITY #1—DARWIN

    As I considered the evidence afresh, I tried to honestly weigh which hypothesis—Darwinism or Design—best accounted for the most current data of science. Looking at the doctrine of Darwinism, which under- girded my atheism for so many years, it didn’t take me long to conclude that it was simply too far-fetched to be credible. I would have to believe that:

    • Nothing produces everything

    • Non-life produces life

    • Randomness produces fine-tuning

    • Chaos produces information

    • Unconsciousness produces consciousness

    • Non-reason produces reason

    Based on this, I was forced to conclude that Darwinism would require a blind leap of faith that I was not willing to make. The central pillars of evolutionary theory quickly rotted away when exposed to scrutiny. For example, naturalistic processes have utterly failed to explain how non-living chemicals could somehow self-assemble into the first living cell.

    In addition, the overall fossil record has stubbornly refused to confirm the grand claim of Darwinian transitions. The majority—or, according to some experts, all—of the world’s forty phyla, the highest in the animal kingdom, virtually sprang forth with unique body plans more than five hundred million years ago. The sudden appearance of these radically new life forms, devoid of prior transitions, has turned Darwin’s Tree of Life on its head.



    POSSIBILITY #2—DESIGN

    One has to consider many different issues and see whether they point toward or away from the existence of an intelligent designer. Consider some of the evidence that was adduced in my investigation:



    The Evidence of Cosmology

    As described by William Lane Craig, the argument is simple yet elegant: first, whatever begins to exist has a cause....second, the universe had a beginning....therefore, the universe has a cause. Even once-agnostic astronomer Robert Jastrow conceded the essential elements of Christianity and modern cosmology are the same: “The chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply....”



    The Evidence of Physics

    One of the most striking discoveries of modern science has been that the laws and constants of physics unexpectedly conspire in an extraordinary way to make the universe habitable for life. For instance, physicist-philosopher Robin Collins has said, “gravity is fine-tuned to one part in a hundred million billion billion billion billion billion.”


    The Evidence of Astronomy

    Similar to the fine-tuning of physics, Earth’s position in the universe and its intricately choreographed geological and chemical processes work together with exquisite efficiency to create a safe place for humans to live. “If the universe had not been made with the most exacting precision, we could never have come into existence,” said Harvard-educated astrophysicist John A. O’Keefe of NASA. “It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in.”



    The Evidence of Biochemistry

    Darwin said, “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Biochemist Michael Behe has demonstrated exactly that through his description of “irreducibly complex” molecular machines.

    These complicated, microscopic contraptions, such as cilia and bacterial flagella, are extremely unlikely to have been built piece-by-piece through Darwinian processes because they had to be fully present in order to function. Other examples include the incredible system of transporting proteins within cells and the intricate process of blood-clotting.



    The Evidence of Biological Information

    The six feet of DNA coiled inside every oneof our body’s one hundred trillion cells contains a four-letter chemical alphabet that spells out precise assembly instructions for all the proteins from which our bodies are made. Whenever we find a sequential arrangement that’s complex and corresponds to an independent pattern or function (books, computer code, DNA), this kind of information always implies an intelligent source.



    The Evidence of Consciousness

    Many scientists are concluding that the laws of chemistry and physics cannot explain our experience of consciousness. Professor J. P. Moreland defined consciousness as our introspection, sensations, thoughts, emotions etc. that make us alive and aware. He said, “You can’t get something from nothing.” If the universe began with dead matter having no conscience, “how then, do you get something totally different—conscious, living, thinking, feeling creatures—from materials that don’t have that?”



    THE IDENTITY OF THE DESIGNER

    In my opinion, the findings from cosmology and physics by themselves were sufficient to support the design hypotheses. All the other data simply built a more powerful case. But who or what is this master Designer? Each scientific principle contributes some clues to unmasking the Creator’s identity.



    Physics—suggests the Creator is intelligent and involved. Astronomy—shows the Creator is incredibly precise, implying care, concern and purpose. Biochemistry and Biological Information—demonstrate the Creator is... creative. Consciousness—shows the Creator’s rationality, which suggests omnipresence and the credibility of life after death.

    These characteristics do not describe the god of deism, who supposedly formed the universe but then abandoned it. Nor is it pantheism, the idea that the Creator and universe are co-existent. Polytheism with its multiple gods falls short, as does the impersonal force of New Age beliefs. In contrast, however, the portrait of the Creator that emerges from the scientific data is uncannily consistent with the description of the God whose identity is spelled out in the pages of the Bible.

    As the apostle Paul wrote two millennia ago: “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made [that is, his creation], so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

    The question of whether these qualities might also describe the deities of any other world religions became moot once I added the evidence that I discovered through the study of ancient history and archaeology (see author’s book, The Case for Christ).

    With Darwinism, my faith would have to swim upstream against the strong current of evidence flowing the other way. But putting my trust in the God of the Bible was nothing less than the most rational and natural decision I could have made.

    I was merely permitting the torrent of facts to carry me to their most logical conclusion.



    FAITH & RESPONSE

    I see faith as a reasonable step in the same direction that the evidence is pointing. Faith goes beyond merely acknowledging that the facts of science and history point toward God. Faith is responding to those facts by investing trust in God—a step that’s fully warranted due to the supporting evidence.

    When we decide not merely to ponder the abstract concept of a designer but to embrace him as our own—to make him our “true god”—then we can meet him personally, relate to him daily, and spend eternity with him as he promises.

    If you’re a spiritual skeptic or a seeker, I hope you’ll resolve to investigate the evidence for yourself, and then respond accordingly.



    • First, is there a God who created the universe?

    • Second, did God reveal himself to humankind through the Bible?

    • Third, is Jesus the Son of God—deity united with humanity—and can he help us as he claimed?



    You’ll soon find that the universe is governed by both physical laws and spiritual laws. The physical laws point us toward the Creator; the spiritual laws tell us how we can know him personally, both today and forever.
     
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    I think hard-core atheism is looking kinda lame. Ponder this:

    Lifeforms reproduce by sacrificing part of themselves, either by simple cell division or the more universal donation of gametes. Having made mankind in his own image, God does likewise by donating energy for generation of the physical realm and by donating some of his spirit for soul formation at the time of conception.

    Since extreme production of energy can result from the known process of converting matter into energy via E = MC squared, the logical converse is that Creation resulted from the conversion of energy to matter in the Big Bang, etc. That’s when time began. Prior to that, only God existed as timeless spirit/light (electromagnetic energy). Every soul is a piece of God and is also timeless/eternal.

    Electromagnetic fields impair fertility, whereas magnetic fields improve it. Episodes of extreme minimal sunspot activity along with increased ionizing radiation has coincided with mini ice ages, drought, and equatorial population crashes involving excessive infant mortality due to DNA aberrations. This was the scenario of the collapsing Mayan civilization in 750 A.D. (627 A.D. and +/- 187 years = 440 A.D. – 814 A.D.) at which time the sun’s magnetic polarity flipped, as it does every 3,740 years according to coded info in various tombs and pyramids.

    God grows when purified souls return, and in large numbers as a result of large-scale catastrophes. Those who do not qualify reincarnate to try again while supporting the next human herd. Those who qualify have done so in celibacy that allows energy to be focused upwards into the crown chakra, hence the halo of light given off as depicted for Christ, The Buddha, some saints, and various gods/goddesses. The 144,000 is this light, not a forehead branding, but is Einstein’s 300,000 meters per second speed of light in the form of arc minutes per second along the curvature of the earth as determined by Bruce Cathie starting in the 1950s, enabling it to circle earth plus inhabitants (the beast) 6.66 times per second.

    When Onan spilled his seed, God slew him (Gen 38:8-10)

    …Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe…and cast it into the great wine-press of the wrath of God…and blood came out of the wine-press….(Rev 14:18-20).

    Darwin’s natural selection acts upon variations between individuals arising from genetic mutations, few of which are random DNA-copying errors ((less than 1 in a billion), while others are triggered by electromagnetic and magnetic fields, and some types of sources are local such as magnetite and uranium.

    Researchers at Bethesda in 1984 noticed that lab lighting was causing genetic mutations in test tube babies (fibroblasts) at the time of conception (p. 192, The Lost Tomb of Viracocha). The field strength was less than the equivalent generated in the Van Allen belt by the solar ionic wind. Application of such energy at strengths less than that of natural earth surroundings was also found to effect such changes (p. 246, The Tutankhamun Prophesies; general ref. Chapter 4, The Sacred Secret, is all of pp. 165-185).
     
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    I believe that atheists know that God is real but willfully (subconciously influenced and not fully realizing it) supress the truth.
     
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    quoted from crossway is there a God.
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    “Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” –Albert Einstein



    Have you ever looked up into the heavens at night—or felt a tiny baby grip your finger—and been filled with wonder? The world is filled with wonder everywhere we look.

    The Marvels of Nature

    Who made all of this? Did it just happen…or is there really a God who created it, as the Bible says?



    Can anyone really deny it? If you say there is no God, then all the wonders around you are just an accident. The billions of stars in the sky just happened to make themselves, generate their own power, and stay on course. The land just happens to have topsoil without which nothing could grow. The air we breathe—only 50 miles deep and exactly the right composition to support life—is just another accident in the “laws of physics.”



    Did deposits of coal, zinc, gold and uranium get there by accident? And what prevents lakes from freezing solid—all the way down to the bottom—making it impossible for fish to survive frigid winters? Why does the earth spin at a given speed without slowing so that we have day and night? Who tilts it so we get seasons? No one really knows the why and how of the magnetic poles. Or think of the sun stoking a fire just warm enough to sustain us on earth, but not too close to fry us or too far away to freeze us. Who keeps things constant?



    Can you believe these things justhappened? Isn’t it more reasonable to believe that a supreme mind is behind all of them and everything that exists?



    The Amazing Human Body

    What about the human body? It’s an intricate combination of bones, muscles, nerves, and blood vessels. By 2020 scientists hope to have a supercomputer to rival the three-pound average adult brain, but it won’t be easy. In 2007 scientists built a $30 million supercomputer that required a $29 million operating budget. It has 5% of the computing ability of a human brain!



    The kidneys contain approximately 145 miles of tiny tubes. In a day they filter around 50 gallons of blood, extracting up to two quarts of water and impurities. Then there’s the heart, an unbelievably rugged organ—a four-chamber, four-valve pump that handles the equivalent of 2,000 gallons of blood daily. It supplies a circulatory system that has 100,000 miles of vessels and, in a lifetime, beats two-and-one-half billion times (108,000 times a day)!



    Before you say, “There is no God,” think about these marvels. All of creation gives evidence that there is a God who created it all. And since the Bible says that God’s Son, Jesus, created all things and holds everything together (Colossians 1:16-17), then we need to see how Jesus’ life affects us.



    The Creator Enters His Creation

    Our Creator came to earth on a mission to change disaster into victory. The Bible says that we’re “dead in trespasses and sins” and “alienated from the life of God” (Ephesians 2:1, 4:18). Just as a body without physical life is physically dead, so anyone who is separated from God is spirituallydead. So we need God’s forgiveness of our sin and freedom from its penalty, which is spiritual death—eternal separation from God in hell. We all are in need of a right relationship with God.



    That’s why God sent Jesus to earth. The Bible tells us, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). Jesus willingly paid the ultimate price to save us from the consequences of our sins!



    By His death on the cross, the sinless Jesus paid the debt of our sins that we could never pay. And His resurrection three days later proved what He claimed was true: “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live” (John 11:25).



    That everlasting life will be yours if you acknowledge to God that you are a sinner and believe in your heart that Jesus is the only way you can ever be forgiven. If that’s your heart’s desire, why not tell Him?



    You can pray to God in words like these: “Dear God, I believe that You are real. I believe that Your son Jesus came to earth and died in my place, because of my sins against You. Thank You that He rose again. I want Your forgiveness and I place my trust completely in You for now and eternity. Amen.”


    I believe that death exists because of sin. Death is proof that sin exists.
     
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    Terrible mistake, IMO. Hedonism is an extreme form of this. So much of what's wrong with this world is due to self-serving interests that are detrimental to others (war, for example).

    Try this on for size: "I am more than my physical body."
     
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    That contains much dogma that I don't subscribe to, but is otherwise full of wholesome points.
     
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    Do you agree that death exists because sin exists? Death was not part of God's original intent-it exists because we live in a fallen world.
     
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    Jesus was not a charlatan. Multiple people dont see the same thing. The Apostles Saw Christ after he died and was ressurected.
     
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    You are nothing without your physical body. You had no recollection of existence before it, you’ll have none after you lose it.
    This isn’t hedonism, this is fact.
     
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    Sure, and we have live action video of the occurrence too.
    I believe one was “ Jesus Christ Super Star.”
    At least Christ like good music.
     
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    Death exists because of sin. it is because of God's judgement on sin. Man was created to live forever-death was not part of Gods plan.
     
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    Oh, God couldn’t tell the future or give us his living children a little assistance, maybe a hint, along the way ?
    God lost a lot of cred for being so selfish or not being able to tell the future.
     
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    Archaeological evidence supports the Bible and scientific evidence supports the Bible.
     
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    You don’t mind if I don’t read it all.
     
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    God knew we were gonna sin. He is all knowing.
     
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    No and no. That’s all wishful thinking. I have heard of no ligit science institute declare that their science supports the Bible.
    Let’s just get over yourself.
     
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    So you’re admitting God is just a mean SOB who created us to sin and suffer and die and watch us doing it, knowing all the time how the story ends.
     
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