Asylum Seekers-should we or shouldn't we?

That saying certainly applies to the Muslims and many other ethnic cultures that have came to Australia. They have taken much, but have given little in return. You cannot include food, as I can always buy a cookbook if I want to explore different food.

 

so long as they didn't get here by boat ? I take it you have decided not to answer the original question .

 

You are forgetting Australia has been taking refugees other than Anglo-Saxon/Celtic from war torn Europe since the late 1940s/early 1950s. The first non Anglo reugees came from Lativia, chosen for their blonde hair and blue eyes. Also include Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Yugoslavs etc. There was a huge intake of Yugoslavs, mainly Macedonians from the late 1950s into the 1970s, escaping Tito's regime. I come from an industrial area and the Macedonians would do jobs that Anglo immigrants and Australians in general wouldn't,, the really menial, filthy work.

Finns where also quite a large intake from the late 1940s, escaping Soviet aggression of Finland. Many of these Finns were put to work in the most ambitious engineering project ever undertaken in Australia, the Snowy Mountains Scheme, so therefore they have contibuted to Australian culture and society.

Later on, after 1975, Vietnamese refugees arrived, now one of the biggest ethnic groups in Australia. Exactly the same debate was occuring during that time. Rightwing Australians were concerned the Vietnamese would absolutely swamp Australia by sheer numbers and bring their non Christian religions and Communism with them. That didn't happen. These people were the first to be taken into Australia after the White Australia Policy was scrapped, the first non Europeans.

Immigration to Australia has enriched Australian society, immigrants and refugees have contributed to Australian society greatly. BTW, I'm an immigrant, arriving with my family from Germany in 1960. And yes, we have also continuted.

 

Actually, my old man was referring to...wait for it.....our new neighbours....

I suppose when people move from A to B and we dont know much about them...we cant be too gullible...can we....??

Surely our politicians arent gullible....are they...??

Aaaah, she'll be right mate...

 

When you start playing with semantics, it becomes a moot point!

 

How many Latvians, Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Germans, Finns, Yugoslavians and Macedonians country hopped all the way through Europe down to Indonesia, and then hired people smugglers by paying them $10,000 per ticket to being them illegally to Australia through the backdoor?

How many of the groups you identified in your message demanded special treatment and facilities when they arrived in Australia?

How many of these groups rioted and protested that their accommodation wasn’t good enough when they arrived, to the extend of trying to burn it down?

The people you describe came here to work and make a better life for themselves and their families. Whereas these “boatie” arrivals are simply coming here to suckle on the countries easy welfare teat, and that’s why 85% of that specific group are still on welfare benefits up to five years and counting.

 

I could never understand how "asylum seekers" can travel through numerous, various
countries to get to Australia and not settle somewhere on the way....why are they "seeking
asylum" in Australia and not settling in one of the countries they have passed through, only to get on a boat
and get to Australia....the answer is simple, our Government is gullible and this is the land of milk and honey
compared to the country they left...ok...so be it...but why not just stop off in another country and pitch
your tent so to speak, in that country....answer, because the politicians of that country are not so gullible...
and there is no milk and honey.....

Aaaah well, she'll be right mate....

 

Humanity is breeding uncontrollably like mice; its raping every possible natural resource on the single planet we all live on; and some of these do-gooder and bleeding heart idiots think humanity has, or is on the verge of discovering a Utopian society through bending over and taking one up the arse in the name of multiculturalism. LOL LOL

She’ll be right mate…

 

I was responding to the bolded part of your post.

Actually most Yugoslavs (including Macedonians) did "country hop" as you put it to escape the Tito regime, from Yugoslavia, into Austria where they sort refugee status. Many also went through Italy and into Switzerland.

How do I know this? Because I used to work with Yugoslavs.

 

So tell me this, why did your ancestors come to Australia, it wasn't because they could steal the land, kick off or kill the traditional owners of the land. It wasn't because it was the land of milk and honey. Our ancestors never took dangerous ocean voyages to get here, risking life and limb to leave Europe and travel to the other side of the world. Our ancestors Fathers never came to Australia first to get jobs, buy land, then send home for their families to come out and follow them.

When our ancestors left their homelands to come to Australia they never brought their religions like "the church of England" or "the church of Rome". They never brought their culture, their clubs and societies.

GARBAGE, these refugees are only doing exactly what we did, just doing it more legally and for better reasons.

Maybe Magoo you should change your fav saying from "She'll be right mate" to "I'm alright Jack"?

 

Touch a nerve did I...???

 

The real problem with boat people arriving in Australia waters is Indonesia. One problem is the close proximity of Indonesia to Australia and the other problem is Indonesia doesn't have the resourses to stop the people smugglers (or so they say). Also, corrupt government officials either turn a blind eye to these people smugglers or just take their cut.

Stop the boats at point of departure and the problem is solved.

 

We have do-gooders and bleeding hearts who constantly trot out the same tired old argument, that most of the countries these financial opportunistic asylum seekers pass through, are not signatories to the UN convention on refugees.

Well that is a complete lie. Refugees coming from the Middle East could go to Cambodia, because they are signatories to the UN convention on refugees.

Therefore, these financial opportunistic asylum seekers don’t have to risk their lives or the lives of their children in rickety leaky boats getting to Australia through fear of persecution and fear for their lives - they can go to Cambodia, which is a landlocked country.

This is why Middle Eastern “boaties” don’t go to Russia for help and assistance. The Russian welfare system is not as lucrative and as easy, as good old gullible Australia is.

As my young African employee said: it’s the best know con and scam going around.

I bet not many people knew that over ¾ of the women that arrive by boat are already pregnant. As soon as they give birth, the kids an Australian citizen. Therefore, mum as the carer is granted an instant pension, and then she applies in the kids name to bring over everyone else in the family under the family reunion scheme. LOL LOL

The we can have numerous members of the one family suckling Australia’s welfare teat.

Biggest scam and con going around, but the dumb-arse Aussies have not clicked onto it yet. Everyone wants to know why they pay $10,000 per ticket and risk so much getting here.

Oh me - Oh my, these poor people are in fear of being raped and murdered, that’s why they are coming here, but it never occurred to me it might be for the easy lifetime welfare benefits. LOL LOL

 

No not at all, this has always been something that amazed me, just how straight out hypocritical we can be.

 

Nothing wrong with that reasoning to come to australia. Anyone would think that only ethnocentric rednecks pay taxes in this country. Take your hand off Culldav. You are a complete lunatic. Just glad clowns like you aren't running the place otherwise we would be living in a war torn country ourselves!

 

Slippery, I have sat back somewhat amused reading your attempts to engage “truth vigilante” in some meaningful logical debate on this subject to no avail.

Every time I have tried; my logic gets deflected on tangents on his/her own misinformation by not wanting to research the subject before making a valid response.

Therefore I rapidly came to the conclusion that he/she is either some kid or a twit who want to talk-the-talk, but not walk-the-walk - and I don’t waste my valuable time on individuals like that.

May I suggest that you thoroughly read my comments and the response from “truth vigilante”. POST #90

What he/she stated is that there is “nothing wrong” with boat asylum seekers risking their lives and the lives of their children coming to Australia just to access our easy welfare system in favour of going to Russia or Cambodia who are also signatories to the UN refugee convention, but don’t have Australia’s lucrative welfare system.

When do-gooders and bleeding hearts are on these moral crusades, they are totally psychologically incapable of confronting and offering a suitable answer as to why Middle Eastern asylum seekers would prefer to risk life threatening journeys to Australia when they could go to Russia and Cambodia for the same help and assistance that they ask Australia for.

Now these Middle Eastern (so-called) asylum seeker tell us, and so do the do-gooders and bleeding hearts, that they are need asylum because they are in desperate fear for their lives. They go through so much anguish turmoil and fear escaping from their countries, and then they have to find $10,000 to get a ticket on a rickety leaky boat on a perilous and dangerous life threatening voyage across an open ocean just to get to another country that can offer them help and assistance; instead of just walking across the landlocked borders into Russia and Cambodia who could also offer them help and a new life.

What these people are doing makes no more common sense than me walking five kilometres to use a public toilet, rather than using the one in my own house.

How many asylum seekers and refugees do you think are homeless - zero, because once they are released from detention, they are automatically given priority public housing and accommodation. How many Australians are homeless; the latest conservative estimate is around 300,000.

 

I once thought that onshore processing was the best option, but now realise it’s the worst possible thing that could happen. It would mean any applicant that was rejected, would be immediately entitled to an endless supply to the Australian tax payer free service called Legal Aid. Before this process was stopped, these endless process appeals, were costing the tax payers tens of millions by every “ambulance chasing” lawyer wanting to cash in on the appeals process.

 

Originally Posted by culldav
We have do-gooders and bleeding hearts who constantly trot out the same tired old argument, that most of the countries these financial opportunistic asylum seekers pass through, are not signatories to the UN convention on refugees.

Well that is a complete lie. Refugees coming from the Middle East could go to Cambodia, because they are signatories to the UN convention on refugees.

Therefore, these financial opportunistic asylum seekers don’t have to risk their lives or the lives of their children in rickety leaky boats getting to Australia through fear of persecution and fear for their lives - they can go to Cambodia, which is a landlocked country.

This is why Middle Eastern “boaties” don’t go to Russia for help and assistance. The Russian welfare system is not as lucrative and as easy, as good old gullible Australia is.

As my young African employee said: it’s the best know con and scam going around.

I bet not many people knew that over ¾ of the women that arrive by boat are already pregnant. As soon as they give birth, the kids an Australian citizen. Therefore, mum as the carer is granted an instant pension, and then she applies in the kids name to bring over everyone else in the family under the family reunion scheme. LOL LOL

The we can have numerous members of the one family suckling Australia’s welfare teat.

Biggest scam and con going around, but the dumb-arse Aussies have not clicked onto it yet. Everyone wants to know why they pay $10,000 per ticket and risk so much getting here.

Oh me - Oh my, these poor people are in fear of being raped and murdered, that’s why they are coming here, but it never occurred to me it might be for the easy lifetime welfare benefits. LOL LOL

My ResponseNothing wrong with that reasoning to come to australia. Anyone would think that only ethnocentric rednecks pay taxes in this country. Take your hand off Culldav. You are a complete lunatic. Just glad clowns like you aren't running the place otherwise we would be living in a war torn country ourselves!

The gist of his shallow argument is people wanting to come here to suck us dry?????? As you can see, he has problems with following his own hollow and bigotted semantic games.

 

Culldav,, are you an Australian citizen yet?

 

I must say that I patiently had to answer slippery's question a few times over despite the fact I answered them in previous posts, regarding one of our latest exchanges. lol.......culldav, trying his best to discredit due to not having further substance to his arguments. Desperation does that to you....just take a look at Abbott!

 

Your point?

 

Do-gooders & bleeding hearts deflecting "facts" to suit their own agendas - nothing unusual about that. All of them have this inbuilt psychological 'trigger' they can instantly pull that enables them to deflect any facts and questions away from the topic that threatens or confronts their own moral imperative.

One thing you learn very quickly about do-gooders and bleeding hearts when you talk to them or debate them, and that is: they will never use critical analysis when discussing the topic. Everything has to be positive to support their views, and when confronted by the unknown, they will deflect any statement in favour of wandering off on some tangent to find some small insignificant piece of evidence to support their theory.

Talking, or seriously debating any do-gooder or bleeding heart over a period time; you quickly learn they have a childlike naivety of the world, and you're really just wasting your time.

 

deflect any facts away from the topic
never use critical analysis
wandering off on a tangent
insignificant piece of evidence
childlike naivety

all of these you yourself do in nearly every post, why that post is your way of avoiding answering the question. aka wandering off on a tangent

 

Guess that means no..