Atheism breeds evil?

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Atheism breeds evil?

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  1. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True to form you have nothing to say, but say it anyway.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At the time I served in Germany in our Army, it appeared to me that by and large, Germany was either Catholics or Lutherans. While other groups were there, the fact was Germany was mostly a bifurcated nation as i said.

    Some allege Hitler was a devout Catholic. I never found that to be the case at all and he was raised in Austria. So we need to know the major religion in Austria at the time of Hitlers birth and raising as a kid. Germany had none of the religions from England. I am mostly speaking though of the Germany of the youth of Hitler.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hitler was baptised as a Catholic, religion in later years seams to of been a mixture of Neo Paganism, Catholicism and a strange brew of Nazi Christianity. What is clear is that he was not anything like an atheist.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a child, he was not the Hitler he later became. I knew he was baptized as a Catholic yet my study of the man shows neither he nor his family were devout Catholics.

    Further as I also stated, Germany even in 1963 was mostly a mix of two groups, Catholics and Lutherans. Has it changed much? That i am not able to say.
     
  5. RiaRaeb

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    Whatever, I think it is clear he was not an atheist!
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Frankly, i have no opinion as to that. He at first did a lot of great things for Germany. Later he offended the world with his hateful making of war.

    From a study.

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/2017/10/26/was-hitler-a-christian-an-atheist-or-neither/
     
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  7. RiaRaeb

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    Ok, I am getting used to theists not prepared to state the bleeding obvious.
     
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    Not at all, that’d be like saying all monotheists fall under the category of “Jewish”. Everyone has a set of values but each individual’s values don’t necessarily fit in to neat categories (and there are risks in forcing everyone in to categories). Secular Humanist describes a fairly specific set of beliefs opinions and principles, much like a religion in that aspect and while lots of atheists will hold many similar views, most atheists won’t specifically align to all of them.

    I’d actually argue the same thing applies to mainstream religions too, which is why there has been a long history, still ongoing, of schisms, debates and conflicts over all sorts of different ideas and principles (like the debates over homosexuality and women priests). The only relevant difference is the social habit for everyone to be labelled as being of one religion or another so even people who haven’t been to church or thought about God for years (or ever) still ticks the “Christian” box on surveys out of habit.
     
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    Ok you edited the post after I replied.
    You site a book claiming,

    Richard Weikart convincingly argues that Hitler was neither,

    So that is not an atheist and not a christian.

    So as I wrote, Not an atheist.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many people today bend their knee to Horus? This is the first I ever heard of him. Someone atheists drummed up in an attempt to discredit the Savior that people from all corners of the earth follow to this day? Is he someone who was from the beginning and humbled himself as a man and his sacrifice turns the hearts of others to the Truth?
     
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    As it is with" secular humanism".....a general belief that existence is only as what is perceived from between the ears of the beholder.
     
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    Maybe you should come up with a list of all the different "sects" of unbelief. I would argue there are as many "sects" in atheistic/secular humanists as there are individuals that embrace that unbelief. It is all relative to the individual unbeliever. They are very general terms closely associated with "anarchy of mankind".
     
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    No idea, I know **** all about secular humanism.
     
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    'Cause Christians have never killed atheists, right?

     
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    Yes. He was also born of a virgin mom. Rose from the dead. Etc. 9000 years from now when the Jesus myth dies out and is replaced with the flying spaghetti monster, what will you think of that?
     
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    If there is a conscious Creator, it set up the conditions of Creation, so the natural Order is not to be considered evil, but simply what necessarily exists. Weakness and dysfunction would be the evil.
     
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    Hitler's religion has been intensely studied and it does not appear that he is a Christian or a complete atheist but as more mystical beliefs. Joseph Goebbels noted in a private diary entry, “The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay.”
     
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    I know by then you and I will have met Jesus face to face. I'm looking forward to that.
     
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    I do not believe atheism "breeds" evil, not intentionally. It does however provide a breeding ground for it.
     
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    Where is the proof outside the bible of a God?
     
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    Snorri....I have studied enough and enough has been revealed to me I can take it on faith. In other words I don't need proof . Some of the best things in life don't come with proof. The Bible, I have found is a supernatural work of literature that conveys an awful lot but many will only look into it with the idea it is something to be ridiculed or mocked. That too is predicted.
     
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    Yes, you are right - "survival of the fittest" is actually how things work in nature - so if god is real* then of course he would have set that system up.
    But we can, as ethical humans, go BEYOND god, ethically! We need NOT actually, regarding our own species, have it be "survival of the fittest"! We should care for the poor, like many atheist groups are currently doing. And care for the infirmed and aged. Obviously those groups would, in "survival of the fittest", not survive very well - but we are better than god, so we move beyond that by being more compassionate towards our own species than his "survival of the fittest".

    *If god did not set this up, then he's not real, and therefore people will want to leave their current religion, of course.
     
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    Give us an example of Islam being "evil by design". Q5:33, perhaps? Maybe Q4:34, or Q2:282?
     
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    But, but, but the smile of a beautiful baby!....but, but, but, a beautiful sunset that brings a tear to your eye!......PROOF!!!!!
     
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    Wait - if Islam was "evil by design", then why the HELL would this nutcase say what he said!? Wouldn't the right thing to do be just the OPPOSITE of what he said!?

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