Atheists put forward your most compelling evidence for the non-existence of God.

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  1. Sean Michael

    Sean Michael New Member

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    Atheists are always asking for evidence for the existence of God. I would like some sort of evidence to disprove the existence of God.
     
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    AllEvil Active Member Past Donor

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    How would someone even go about doing that?
     
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    Can we please stop with these threads? For the last time. The existence of God can neither be proven, nor disproven. It relies on faith and no evidence one way or another can change true faith.
     
  4. Sean Michael

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    In the same way someone goes to show evidence to support the existence of God. You collect the data and show how it supports the non-existnce of God. It seems alright for atheist to constantly ask the question for evidence to support God's existence, but when the shoe is on the other foot they don't like it.
     
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    Prof_Sarcastic New Member

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    I would like that too, but there isn't any compelling evidence regarding the question of god's existence at all. I don't base my belief on evidence, but on pragmatism.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    You don't have to have proof that something doesn't exist in order to not believe in it.

    Lack of belief in something comes from a lack of positive proof in its existence.
     
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    First we have to decide if "God" means the god featured in Jewish and Christian lore. Then we can proceed to argue against the lore's various claims.

    But if "God" is simply something claimed to exist beyond time and place, etc. etc., then there is no more disproving it than there is proving it. In that case, let the believer make an arse of himself or herself.
     
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    Plus a lack of likelihood of its existence.. And then there's the FACT that people invent imaginary characters, including gods, all the time. That is positive evidence against believing in any particular invented god or other such figure..
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    This has, of course, been covered several times, but I'll post it again.

    The existence of an omnipotent god cannot be determined by looking for proof for the non-existence of that god. This is because an omnipotent god is infinitely good at hiding. Therefore, looking for evidence against that god is not a good method for finding out whether or not he exists.

    Let's say we're honest truth seekers, and we would like to know the truth about the existence of a god. We have two options. Either, we ask ourselves "what evidence is there that this god exists?" or we ask ourselves "what evidence is there that this god does not exist?". Most atheists and otherwise argue that the known god-concepts have been engineered to fit reality, rather than the other way around. Therefore, a world without a god and a world in which a popular god-concept exists are indistinguishable through the method of asking for evidence against the god. This leaves "what evidence is there that a god exists" the only honest and reasonable method for determining the existence of a god.
     
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    Prove that I don't have an invisible, non corporeal dragon in my house.
     
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    That's an angel with six wings, not a dragon! Dragons don't exist!!:laughing:
     
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    Prove I am not sitting next to an invisible pink unicorn.

    Those who claim the affirmative carry the burden of proof.
     
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    That would make me a heretic!
     
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    The modern concept of God is perfect because you can't logically disprove him because he exists out of logic. The laws of nature do not apply to him. He is invisible, but omniprescent- always a figure one must believe in rather than sense. His kingdom is beyond the mortal world, and thus no where you can ever point to. The very fact that he exists outside the natural, detectable universe means that since you can't prove everything, no matter how much you do prove, he will exist in the infinitely small part which you can't.

    You have to hand it to them. Whether by intention or by chance, the basic formula for the modern god is untouchable.
     
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    Such ideas are rather foolish because God spent a lot of time in the Bible cavorting around with all kinds of people. Why did they get to pal around with him and other people since then don't? I have a thick book of his exploits and conversations with ancient people. What made them more deserving than us?
     
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    Yep, True Believers (patent pending) know that the invisible pink unicorn is indeed pink.
     
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    Arguably, gods have always been untouchable like this. It's just that he's been moving further and further out and away from reality as science has extended our reach.

    Back in biblical days, god was ruling somewhere up above the dome of the sky..
     
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    The God "hypothesis" is totally unfalsifiable. Disproving it cannot be done.

    How would you disprove something that is *supposed* to be invisible, intangible, and have no observable impact on the world?

    As an atheist, I don't lack belief in any god because I can dispove it's existence. I lack belief because there is no evidence telling me it does exist, and I don't make a habit of believing things for no reason.
     
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    Either a god manifests itself in the real world or it doesn't. If it does it can be detected but so far there is no evidence for one. If it doesn't then it is indistinguishable from a non existent god. If that's the case then it's a waste of time even thinking about it.
     
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    If that is the case, then perhaps atheists and other non-theists should heed your advice, go their way, and never even think about God... ahhhh. . . but they can't stop thinking about God, because God won't let them stop thinking about Him...

    Question for you: supposedly electrons and photons exist in the real world.... can you detect a single electron or photon? Can you capture a single electron and or photon in order to analyze either of the two? Is your mind in the real world? Does your mind exist? Does your mind manifest itself in the real world? If it does, then how does it make that manifestation?
     
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    Why? I'm not making a claim, therefore, I need no evidence. I lack belief. I don't need evidence of something not existing to not believe in it. Do you need evidence that unicorns and the tooth fairy don't exist?
     
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    god aint baiting people.

    the liars are

    who?

    a psychosis; talking to fignewtons of the mind

    but note the scary ones, they will tell you that they know what that '.....' is thinking and how it is affecting you.





    this computer is working on energy.

    you are alive because of light (photon per se). Detection is easy. Splash a pond: you made that one!

    Your posts, one bit at a time is conveying.

    i bet a computer would have scared the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of jesus.


    sure

    We propose and demonstrate a type of GaAs/AlGaAs modulation-doped field effect
    transistor (FET) which is sensitive to single photons. The FET contains a layer of InAs
    quantum dots formed using an in-situ, self-organising method, adjacent to the channel
    and separated from it by a thin AlGaAs barrier. Capture of a single photo-excited carrier
    by a quantum dot leads to a sizeable change in the source – drain current through the
    transistor, allowing the detection of a single photon. We show this is because the
    mobility of the electron channel is extremely sensitive to the charge trapped in the dots.
    This discovery may allow a new type of single photon detector to be developed which
    does not rely upon avalanche processes.

    http://www.toshiba-europe.com/research/crl/qig/pdfs/singlephotondetection/spd_jjap_jan01.pdf

    look into polaritons, solitons, excitons.......

    today the sciences are far exceeeding what you apparently are aware of.



    between my ears, like the living conscious
    sure.....

    notice the knowledge from this mind to others, assists in evolution of thought (of mind)?
    sure

    note alll my post

    sharing i am 'here'
    words, symbols

    upon mass, energy, in this time.

    naturally of course.
     

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