Australia will become nuc waste dumping ground for the rest of the world!

Really??? A Coalition policy you cannot HATE??? OMG get an Ambulance, CAT might need serious medical attention to keep going...

Seriously, you defend your fabricated extrapolations of policy to make them hate filled comments by admitting that the Coalition has SOME good policy you agree with??? Honestly, that makes your irrational hatred for a political party even more foolish, not better…

Point being, Don’t suggest such, show it. In other words you don’t need to fabricate policy intentions to dislike the policy. All you have to have is a rational objection to the policy. The fact you don’t like a party is NOT rational objection.

 

The use of Nuclear power!!!

To further add, Nuclear can be reversed to it's original earthly low grade, its a profit thing it is not!

All nuclear sold is inclusive of waste return and processing.

 

Yeah, that was great. I off loaded some useless old worn out rifles that I was keeping for spare parts and got paid 10 times what they were worth. Used the money to buy some more guns.

 

So your clear objection has NOTHING to do with finding better and safer alternatives to storing radioactive material... Now, if you had read the link provided you would find out that the 25t of radioactive waste was Australia’s waste sent to France to be reprocessed BACK to its low grade originality. Also if you had done the smallest of research in this area you would be aware that it is Australia's responsibility to make this material safe. Since the French have reprocessed the material BACK, just how do you think Australia should deal with the material???

Now after you have told us all of this, I have just one last question, Why do you object to this policy as it has NOTHING to do with building nuclear plants??? It is obvious you understand the UN mandates of radioactive material sales and handling, it is a shame you complain that one party is the sole perpetrator in this area while ignoring the fact this has been a problem of ALL governments for over 30 years...

Anyway, now you cleared that up, those of us who want to address the policy at hand can go on ignoring your interjections as irrelevant, as you have appeared to confirm as much, can now move on...

 

Don't really have any objection to Australia storing nuclear waste. We can do it safely and securely, and we are perfectly happy digging the stuff up and selling it. No chance of a "meltdown" obviously. And I would prefer we deal with it than it getting shipped off to some other country who can't deal with it properly. Concerned about the transportation though. Surely it's only a matter of time before someone screws that up.

 

Rule in place. All countries must deal with their own nuclear waste!

The whole thing a political beat up in the hope of adding nuclear fuel to coal exports!

 

Refreshing to hear more sober comment.

May I take issue with the fact that the nation selling the material is to ensure safe disposal of waste as being part of UN charter on the sale of radioactive material.

Myself I have not considered taking responsibility of other nations material as I do feel it is more important to sort out Australia's waste before considering anybody else's. And for the first time somebody (namely you) are boasting the Australian ability over the rest of the world rather than taking the negative...

Transport is a key concern, and I agree far more worrying than actually storing the material. I do believe far better safe guards be employed in this area and actually policed.

 

Hmmm Ziggy,
I don't agree. We cannot even get the lid on an oil spill in time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montara_oil_spill
And you believe we can handle that crap?
If you look at highly developed nations and how many problems they have/had in storing nuc waste safely, it is shocking. One example is Germany:
http://www.spiegel.de/international...ling-nuclear-waste-in-asse-mine-a-884523.html
30.000 years for that (*)(*)(*)(*) in oil drums?
Mate, everyone knows how corrosive our soil is, how do you think those drums look like in 100 years?
Even when you consider places far away from our coastline, the risks are enormous....
Cheerio

 

Yes we need to deal with our own waste, which definitely does not include dumping it in an abandoned mine with no oversight. We don't have any nuclear power, so the amount of waste we produce is minimal and we're perfectly capable of storing it.

As for importing nuclear waste, Australia is a good candidate for storage but there is too much inherent risk in transportation. Only a matter of time before something goes wrong, and then god knows what the fallout and economic costs would be.

Yes, every country should store it's own nuclear waste according to best practice. But we all know that doesn't happen, and they're going to have some expensive environmental consequences.

 

at, Am, garry and cd,
the above response by Ziggy just shows how civilized and well mannered some members can discuss a subject, while having different opinions.
Guys, you can learn a lot from him, have a great day,
regards

 

That is exactly the problem we have now. With radioactive waste being stored in so many different sites now there is a far greater risk that someone will screw up, and I believe all the waste is presently stored in or near large urban centres. Sure there is a risk in transportation but it is a very, very small risk. Much better idea to ship it all out to a remote spot.

 

Go back and have a look at your own responses, YOU are the one who can learn some manners when dealing with people who have a different opinion.

 

Have a read of the post again, he does not lie to promote his hatred as YOU do... He clearly and precisely pronounces his opinion as being just what it is, unlike YOU.

You have forgotten one word, credible. He does not pronounce his comment, opinion as FACT, unlike YOU...

Who can learn something from who??? Suggest to look in the mirror again…

 

I do wonder though if the deep geological repositories are the best option. The ALP/Greens Coalition examined this area while in government with blinkers on (AS I believe) committing to nothing. Big overseas junkets to talk about this sort of thing and yet nothing of outcome. Howard, was not much better, but now they want to complain that the process has begun all over again. However, are their better options???

The first issue is to find the best location to centralize any storage option decided upon. So the government began their program. Now the selections of sites has come to actually being made and people who want to simply object rather than bring their concerns to the table and have them addressed. It is just so easy to be negative rather than do something about the problem these days.

IMHO, SA still gets the nod due to the reduced populated areas of the state were better infrastructure can be created and far better transportation policy can be created. However, the first thing that needs to occur is selection of a site which suites the purpose proposed.

The one thing I do know, the cost of what is presently hiding the problem is dragging down other areas of the budget that deserve more attention. After all a considerable amount of this waste is from medical research and development, what area of budget do you consider pays for this.


Again, my only objection to what you are saying is that Australia is able to take responsibility for r other nations waste. The problem being that First Australia should have it’s own issues in this area set and two by bringing this point up during the beginning process creates a area of derision to block decent decisions on the subject further clouding the problem and possibly relegating it back to possibly another 30 odd years of procrastination and financial waste so people (from the premise of this thread) can feel all gooey inside and pretend to have the worlds conscience as their motive.

Let Australia get the first part right before considering expanding the policy…

 

I was mainly referring to international transportation, particularly by sea.

Completely agree that we should be storing the waste in a remote area of our own country. There's just a NIMBY problem because there's a lot of hysteria around the word "nuclear".

 

If it is safe to store in localised areas then don't see why it needs to be stored in one location. The NIMBY problem is just as relevant in urban areas, if nuclear waste concerns are just hysteria.

 

Let us look at that... If it is unsafe to move waste out of densely populated areas because their maybe some kind of accident, what is stopping that very same accident happening in localised area

If you look at ALL the opposition to this policy you will find it is scare campaign of people complaining about Australia building nuclear reactors for power stations. Obviously if you take away the hysteria, you note the policy has absolutely nothing to do with building nuclear power stations.

Then there is the complaint of taking nuclear waste from other nations… As the policy at present is simply to build a repository for low to mid-level radioactive waste, clearly demonstrates these people as fabricating opposition due to ignorance.

BUT the biggest benefit is by moving all Australia’s nuclear waste to a central repository will take the budgetary draining of portfolios such as health (where a large percentage of this waste is created) freeing finances to put back to the health system rather than pay for storage, handling and monitoring of this waste.

Anyway, if you look to all parties over the years they have all been trying to come up with the best solution of creating a central repository for Australia’s nuclear waste. For over 30years ALP, Coalition and Greens constantly create policy for this very same issue and all they do is spend great quantity of Australian tax dollars to so called investigate, tour and create reports than actually making a move on this issue. The only people who are complaining are the people fabricating their lies to pretending something else is being discussed.

In future, If Australian governments want to expand that repository to store other nations waste, then discussion on that basis should take place. BUT for now, Australia needs better and safer alternative to handling and storing this waste regardless, it should be examined and actioned quickly rather than wasting MORE tax dollars on junkets and lining politicians pokets..

 

Your ignorance is one of a kind:

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ste-for-other-countries-malcolm-turnbull-says

Until you look at the facts, nothing more needs to be said. Australia will become the world's dumping ground for nuc waste, it is only a matter of time,
regards

 

And you have the hide to talk about taking note of manners... Just another Ignorant rant with links YOU think supports your claim…

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ste-for-other-countries-malcolm-turnbull-says

What facts??? Turnbull talks about a possible future Australia can have in the industry and suddenly it is fact??? You want to talk about ignorance??? Again your lies are not fact.

Now if you were clued up slightly on Australia’s responsibility in this area, due entirely to the fact Australia mines and sells the material you might just have some idea of what you are talking about. BUT you go on and sensationalise anything you want with your lies pretending them to be facts.

Again talk about manners, when you lead in with nothing but insult and your pretend facts… Honestly, isn’t it about time you actually addressed the policy you claim to be addressing??? Or are you going to continue to pretend you have some sort of insight onto the world that nobody else does??? You know, they usually lock people away for that last, it is considered delusional…

 

Mate,
I gave you facts, its written on almost every wall, but you twist and twist and twist. Shameful, enough said.
Regards

 

I'm all for Australia being the dumping ground for the planets nuclear waste. Its already got so many nuclear hot-spots, a few more is not going to matter.

If you don't believe me, then just do a google map search, and check out how many nuclear and toxic hot-spot sites are around Australia already. Looking at the map might really shock you, because Australia has been a toxic and dirty country for decades. Check map at the bottom of link page.

Don't forget the Thorium mines

http://www.australianminesatlas.gov.au/aimr/commodity/thorium.html

http://australianmap.net/

All this toxic stuff leaking into the underground water supplies for decades could explain why the population is so backward and dumbarse.

 

What facts??? again I posted the truth of what you linked and that is one politician talking about possible futures. In fact the last was great, posting what the Cook said in a cafe while he was having breakfast...

Well, now we know the truth by your eyes, the coalition is not making policy, apparently cooks and waiters are in s cafe's around Australia... apparently your Hatred of the Coalition is misguided, it is not that party making the policy you hate so much, it is waiters, cooks and chefs. That is according to YOU, however, I tend to believe that the policy is not just something somebody said in a conversation somewhere in a cafe.

Nobody needs to twist anything when you lie and pretend it to be a fact. I did originally state if you had approached the subject without the lies you may have some credibility. I originally stated that you were cynical as to the intentions of the party or policy that may have some leg to stand on. BUT you claim your cynicism as fact, that in itself is a lie and if you want to discuss shameful, I think you have definitely taken that honour yourself from the first, creating lies to justify some premise that only appears to exist in your head.

Yes truly enough said...

 

Ah, I see,
some US ships in the Fremantle port is nothing new, and that we have several deposits is also nothing new. I think it doesn't look that bad for us....
Yes and thanks to our Brit friends we had nuc bomb test sides, it just shows you how much they value us.
As long as we keep control of things and don't allow Libs/Nationals to earn money for accepting nuc waste from other countries, she will be right mate.....
Reg.

 

The more I think about it the more you think they're influencing us in very careful and small steps. Get us comfortable enough with the idea in small doses and then.......wallah.....all of a sudden we will have shipments of the stuff. There is money to be made in this geologically stable island continent. If the bloody stuff is low to medium radiation and can be stored safely, then store it in the nearest location whereby most of it is being created. It's only low to medium radiation and would cost a mountain more with what would require a further 2k journey to its final storage place. I smell a filthy rat the more this proposition is discussed.

We will only need 2 swimming pools of storage space they say for our local waste. Well we will only need an acre or 2 more to store the worlds waste. Hell an extra 10 hectares is not that much in the whole scheme of things. Getting more and more uncomfortable with this idea. Call it hysteria but I ain't falling for something that doesn't make sense!