Baby Donald will declare a national emergency.

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  1. Margot2

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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/kfile-trump-immigration-executive-action-2014/index.html

    President Donald Trump once said taking executive action on immigration was an unconstitutional action that could lead to impeachment.

    Trump's past comments are at odds with his current plans to declare a national emergency and other executive actions to secure funding for a border wall.

    Trump made the comments on Fox News' "Fox and Friends" in November 2014 when asked about executive actions by then-President Barack Obama that would halt deportations for the undocumented parents of children born in the United States.
     
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    And?
     
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    Texas landowners preparing to fight eminent domain over proposed border wall: report

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...owners-preparing-to-fight-eminent-domain-over

    "Some landowners with property along the U.S.-Mexico border are preparing legal challenges with the expectation that the Trump administration will use eminent domain to seize land for construction of the president's planned border wall.

    The Associated Press reports that the Trump administration would face legal challenges from multiple landowners in Texas, challenges that would not be bypassed if the president follows through on his threats to declare a national emergency over illegal border crossings in order to build a wall."
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Legal experts say Trump likely cannot waive eminent domain — which requires the government to demonstrate a public use for the land and provide landowners with compensation — by declaring a national emergency."

    https://apnews.com/0b3d63c524214bbdbfb58ce8f61589f0
     
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    And what exactly was happening in Burundi and Burma?
     
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    Those would be the ones profiting from the drug Cartels.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

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    What does that ridiculous comment have to do with the landowner's legal standing to prevent their land from being taken by the government?
     
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    I wonder where all the concern was for small farm owners whose working farms which were in the family for generations which were taken over by the government. We have one near us. Sometime around 1950, the park was created and families were moved off their land. You can still see the remains of the farms. There is even a cemetery which has grown up which the park service does not take care of.

    Of course, these were only poor farmers who could not afford to fight it in court, not rich land owners like those in Texas. I guess that explains it.
     
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    Border security is not a blank check. The President doesn’t get to usurp Congress just because they didn’t give him the money he wants.
     
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    According to eminent domain laws they have no legal standing other than fair compensation.
     
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    Since 1976 Presidents have done just that over 50 times.
     
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    Really? Every national emergency has been because a petulant baby masquerading as a president got his ego hurt by Congress not letting him be a dictator?
     
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    Democrats 180 on border security is interesting. Why do you thing they are totally opposed to their own previous standing? Could it be because they got their feelings hurt because their gal lost and are being petulant?
     
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    Democrats previously supported the President using dictatorial powers to build the wall without authorization or approved funding from Congress?
     
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    This is Mitch's last 'support' move for Trump...he knows it will be blocked, and can save face with Trump by showing support.

    I believe we'll be seeing a distancing from Senate and House Republicans from Trump going forward - they recognize that he will cost them dearly in 2020.
     
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    Congress has given a president the power to declare a national emergency by 50 U.S.C. 1621 and 50 U.S.C. 1622. A declaration of an emergency allows the President to reprogram funds in the military budget. See 33 U.S. Code § 2293 “Reprogramming during national emergencies.”

    Trump could reprogram funds from other parts of the Department of Defense budget — including from other DoD construction projects such as on bases, military housing, etc. — and engage in construction in areas of need for the national defense. The statute says that explicitly (although statutes are never easy reading).

    Congress has already passed and President George W. Bush enacted the Secure Fence Act of 2006. It is already the law of the land that a border wall shall be built along the United States’ Southern border. Neither Congress nor any private plaintiff can challenge the official determination that a border wall or barrier shall be built. That is the law. That is the official determination of both the U.S. Congress and the Commander in Chief.

    Not sure what your problem is. Congress just gave him funds to bridge over to the point where any litigation has worked its way through the courts. But, I'm not sure who has standing to file suit. The courts already said that American lives are more important than the slight inconvenience that might be experienced by butterflies.
     
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    All rivers and borders have right of way that is controlled by the government. Why aren't you crying about the 11 or 12 national emergencies black jesus declared? I'd like to see Trump declare martial law and start rounding up all the democrat America hating traitors.
     
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    They both supported the President being able to reprogram defense funds. That's law. They supported the Secure Fence Act of 2006. No DACA-like dictatorial powers are in play.
     
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    Yeah, after 9/11, when the US was attacked and needed an immediate re-work of defense preparation and positioning. BTW, that reprogramming was later confirmed by Congress.

    How exactly does the current situation at the border at all compare to 9/11?
     
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    The border runs through private and State land. People own that land. If the government wants it, there's a process that starts with Congressional appropriation.

    If you had bothered to read my posts, you'd see I've already burned that straw man to the ground. No one is claiming that the President can never declare a national emergency. No one.

    Which would justify armed resistance, though the daydreams of jackbooted tyranny are unsurprising at this point. At least the fringe of Trump's base isn't hiding it anymore. This is what happens when you have more regard for Conman Jesus than for the Constitution.
     
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    What does anything have to do with 9/11 except that open borders allows terrorists to enter the country undetected? The National Emergencies Act has been around since Jimmy Carter.

    Obama declared 13 emergencies, 11 are still active. One of those was Ebola. What sense does it make to declare an emergency over a disease but to deny a declaration designed to stop people with deadly infectious diseases from entering the country. None. Thank you.
     
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    Well he had not choice, they force his hand.
     
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    Nearly every previous national emergency still on the books is sanctions on foreign entities.

    Ebola in 2013 infected nearly 30,000 people in a handful of months and required a massive international effort to enact quarantines and get assets in place to combat it. Congress SUPPORTED the use of emergency powers to get the US into action immediately rather than going through the time consuming bureaucratic process that a normal budget allocation would take.

    Does Congress support Trump using emergency powers to steal money they haven’t authorized in order to build the wall they don’t want?
     
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    "If President Trump declares a national emergency to construct a wall on the southern border, only one thing is certain: There will be lawsuits. Lots of them. From California to Congress, the litigants will multiply.

    They will file suit in numerous jurisdictions — certainly within the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit on the West Coast, in U.S. District Court in Washington and maybe even in New York. That’s been the pattern in the hundreds of lawsuits, many of them successful, brought against the Trump administration, the idea being that some judge somewhere will block the wall.

    The Justice Department has told the White House that the president’s action is likely to be blocked in the courts, and the White House counsel’s office warned Trump against declaring a national emergency, calling it a “high litigation risk,” according to a person with knowledge of the discussions."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...63619f12cb4_story.html?utm_term=.2a6270485120
     
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    Of course, that's how democrat try to run the country, through the courts.
     

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