Bakers Accused of Hate Get Emotional Day in Court

When you see lives ruined, if you don't care, you are part of the problem. This mentions a cake. They lost a business. Who gains when customers no longer can enjoy cakes they made? Could you stand being fined $135,000?

But a fine of $135,000 as an administrative fine?

This is why Democrats making laws is worse than laughable, they are a danger to the country.

 

Successful Mom and Pop bakers financially ruined for the sake of political correctness publicity. Way to go media meanwhile Chicago continues having 10-20 gun homicides a week for how many years now?

 

$135,000 for refusing to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding is quite absurd and it's worth appealing to the Court of Appeals. The fine should be $1,350 or so. Small business owners don't have that type of money.

 

they shouldn't have to pay anything because some people they don't even know come in their door demanding service because they want to get married. doesn't matter what sex they may have been. you shouldn't be able to force some one to serve you and your wants whether it be a cake or fix your house because they want it. a bakery isn't a governmental public serve. and you are not supposed to use your beliefs to force some one else to do contrary to their beliefs. everybody with half a brain knows this, that has spent any amount of time in the USA.

the bakery wasn't forcing or trying to force the people in question to do anything contrary to their beliefs or legal lifestyle. why should the people in question have the right to force the bakery owners to do or participate with what is contrary to their beliefs or legal lifestyle?

 

Lets see if they were an interracial heterosexual couple and they decided since the Bible can be twisted that way that they can't approve of race mixing and refused to bake the cake then that would be okay? Separate isn't equal here they are a public business so any form of discrimination should be banned and all customers or clients should be treated equally if they can't handle it they should be financially harmed. The only issue is I think it should be on the customer bases side picketing, refusing to do business with them and going after their venders to stop supplying them etc. Those would be both legal and far more effective in the long run.

 

well if the bakery was owned by homosexuals and they refused to service a religious wedding of a religion that was against homosexuality and openly thought homosexuals should be killed, like Muslims do. would that be ok? it would be wouldn't it? and belief in Muslim ways is a individual choice, not a race.

though there is still arguments over it homosexuality is a choice, and ethnicity is not a choice of individuals. ethnicity doesn't say anything to the character of a person, but choices do, of which is legitimate to disagreed with, and or discourage, or even not do business with. consider what you have just said, its ok if the couple in question boycotted and encourage boycotting, (don't do business with) why doesn't the bakery owners have that same right in this case?

again this isn't an ethnicity case.

 

If the bakers were truly motivated by their beliefs, they would refuse to bake cakes for every form of immorality practiced out there. No cakes for adulterers. Poor Donald. No cake for him. No cakes for liars or anyone who does not observe the Sabbath. I won't recite the whole law, but you get the idea. A lot of so called moral people only want to pick and choose their own morality. A very wise man once said, " We do penance for the sins to which we are inclined, by damning those for which we are disinclined." Oscar Wilde.

 

That doesn't justify this fine.

 

The baker in Colorado (Masterpiece Cakeshop) who declined to bake a cake for a gay wedding and was fined and required to take an "education" class did just as you say, including not baking Halloween items. It did not matter to the gay gestapo because fairness and consistency is not their agenda.

And you make a mistake in your argument. The Christians are not protesting every form of immorality, they are objecting to participating in immorality (and participating or encouraging or enabling sin is itself a sin). If someone went to these bakers and wanted a cake to celebrate adultery, with the associated pro-adultery decorations, I bet the bakers would refuse because they are being asked to sanction and encourage adultery.

 

If a couple who commit adultery want a cake baked endorsing adultery then you have a good idea. The law provides particular sanctions. A fine of $135,000 is far more than warranted.

 

Here is the Court of Appeals video that takes you through the arguments by both sides.
http://oregoncourts.mediasite.com/m...?catalog=7451ecdd-054e-43ee-9f33-8460558f78fe

 

More data on the cakes.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/01/e...kers-who-denied-service-for-same-sex-wedding/

 

The Bakers brought this on themselves.. They turned this couple down and then went on social media to crow about what they had done as "good Christians" thinking that would generate more business for them. Obviously too damned stupid to remember the Civil Rights movement.

 

The Bakers brought this on themselves.. They turned this couple down and then went on social media to crow about what they had done as "good Christians" thinking that would generate more business for them. Obviously to damned stupid to remember the Civil Rights movement.

 

Well, do you now feel a lot better?

Funny how in the appeals court hearing, nothing like that was mentioned. No Judge mentioned it, the defense did not nor the plaintiff.

They are broken. Over some wedding cake.

Had they turned down a Nazi cake, would you support that?

 

Good. They were too stupid to be in business in the first place.

 

Well, you will harm others to make yourself feel better. You established that on this topic and others as well.

So, you would have them make Nazi Cakes, cakes celebrating incest, cakes enabling molesters? This is a question and you don't reply.

Oh and why didn't you watch the short court hearing since i supplied the link so you really could understand this case?

 

They weren't fined for not baking the cake, the couple filed A complaint with the city, the Clines then published it on their Facebook page, showing the couple's home address and phone number. That's what they were fined for, it was excessive.

 

Hmm, the bakers actually harmed others to make themselves feel better. Yet, it's ok for them to actually hurt others, while Margot just put words on an internet forum.
Hypocrisy.

 

Has that case been decided to favor your view? Margot2 is well known as a word putter.

 

I am fine with businesses which break the law getting fined. I am fine with businesses that cannot or will not obey all pertinent laws, rules and regulations going out of business, especially when there is every reason to believe that the business will not change or alter course . A woman's tears does not change the fundamental equation.

 

I guess you want that kind of state. I say state but ought to say agents since the case is in court to decide if the state got it right. A fine for following your religion seems very much like how communists operated.

 

You don't know how little I care why the business wants to flout the laws. Not interested to two sets of business or corporate standards, one for Christians or Muslims or Jews or Hindus, and another for everyone else.

 

I am loathe to go deeper given the case is being decided in court. Are you aware of a baker who will make a nice cake for nazis with all decorations celebrating Hitler? I won't want one, but out there, somebody will.

 

For your comparison to have any validity, first you have to find a state that includes political party affiliation or referencing to historic political figures in their list of civil rights protected classes. Good luck there.