Bakery fined thousands after refusing to sell wedding cake to lesbian couple

Too bad human biology refutes your opinion, and continues to do so no matter how many times you claim otherwise. Surely by now you should have realized that repeating this falsehood over and over and over every chance you can get hasn't changed your urges. Sorry to say, it never will. You need to be honest with yourself, before you can be honest with anyone else.

 

The are in the business of baking cakes, and they are being asked to bake a cake, not report to a homosexual orgy and participate in perverse conduct that is against their religion/beliefs. If that was what the customer was asking for you might have a case.

 

You invite federal government to validate and create classes of people and I do not. At some point someone will be smart enough to refer to our constitution and address it as it should be, US citizen.

Have fun with division.

 

Hate is rather a strong word and yes in some cases it does apply but leave that to the state to decide and not the federal government. How many classes of people is enough when we had a term in place the day the constitution was signed....US citizen.

Yes, I am a simpleton. Less complicated.

 

I would make them the ugliest cake ever and when they refused to pay for it say no problem! Loophole baby! But in all seriousness I don't think making a gay couple a cake is condoning gay marriage. I think it's condoning baking. However I did read someone asked a gay baker to make a "gay marriage is wrong" cake and the baker refused. Hopefully he also will have to pay a large fine.

 

Granted, this is a side-effect of widespread behaviors, but it may be a necessary side-effect. After all, there ARE reasonable divisions of people that make functional sense. This is why we have various "magic" ages - old enough to drink, to vote, to marry, to be a consenting sex partner, to get senior discounts, etc. And why we have different rest rooms for men and women, and so on.

What's happening with the divisions listed in the anti-discrimination laws are something a bit different, the distinguishing feature being that the groups listed are orthogonal to the selective differential treatment - that is, that the differences are not relevant. It might make sense to prohibit children from drinking at your bar, but it doesn't make sense to prohibit women, Jews, or Swedes from drinkiing there. Gender, religion, national origin are not relevant to drinking at bars.

And so it's not practical to declare that nobody can discriminate between generic "US citizens" in any way. Many forms of discrimination are proper. If you can't tell the difference when it comes to drinking between a 2-year-old citizen and a 40-year-old citizen, you need to pay more attention.

 

I must have missed the section of the bible that says you can't bake for gay weddings

 

That case was somewhat different. The baker wasn't asked to make an offensive cake, he was asked to decorate it with an offensive message. In the original case, there was nothing necessary special about the cake itself, the objection was to the expected use of the cake. And that's not legal.

If a baker produced the "ugliest cake ever" instead of the cake actually specified, you could legally reject it. You might also choose to photograph the specified cake and the cake actually offered to you, and call the local news. They'd have fun with it.

 

welcome to the hypocrisy and double standard world. Nothing will happen to the homosexual baker

 

And law after law will be put into place followed by regulation after regulation. Government will continue to divide and grow.

I am in no hurry to die but man I look forward to retirement. Hmm, wonder if government has a class for me when I hit that magical age. They can keep it.

 

No doubt about it. The whole thing is silly to me. Either we force all businesses to compromise their perceived values (Christians making gay cakes, gays making anti gay cakes) or we don't. If a gays right to a product trumps a Christians morality so to should a Christians right to hate trump a gays morality. As absurd as that sounds. I would probably also question how 'Christian' they really are.

 

do you support the Muslim hair stylist right to refuse the service to the gay woman?

 

And if people were not bigoted and prejudiced, none of this would be necessary. Food for thought. We have met the enemy, and they are us.

You might wish to collect social security benefits. You might enjoy the lifetime free pass to all national parks.

 

Whoa, stop right there. We are requiring that businesses treat all their customers equally. The "perceived values" of this merchant or that merchant are regarded as irrelevant. Keep your values, BUT treat all your customers the same.

Christian morality is not relevant. If the product is offered for sale to the public, it must be sold to the public. No being choosy based on bigotry, EVEN IF someone waves their holy scripture around as "justification" for bigotry.

You are completely missing the point. The relevant classes here are "merchant" and "customer". And THAT'S ALL. Religion is irrelevant, sexual orientation is irrelevant.

 

Behavior modification will never truly succeed or reach equilibrium. No worries, government will enact more laws and regulation.

As for my retirement, I will fade and leave the people to prey on each other under the new and improved classes of people.

 

Correction: Bakery fined for breaking the law.
Common sense: Open a business then follow the local/State/Federal laws, don't want to, do not open the business, open the business in an area that allows to do as you wish, get used to paying fines and being sued. Not complicated to most people, but for a select few it seems to be a problem.

 

Most of the original laws came about due to discrimination against authority figures like police officers and military, and yes the basic general rules include race, color, religion, nationality, sex, and even religion, but courts have already determined that arbitrary refusal of services is also considered discrimination even when it doesn't meet the specific ones mentioned.

But there are a number of legitimate reasons for say like a restaurant to refuse service, some of which include:

Patrons who are unreasonably rowdy or causing trouble
Patrons that may overfill capacity if let in
Patrons who come in just before closing time or when the kitchen is closed
Patrons accompanied by large groups of non-customers looking to sit in
Patrons lacking adequate hygiene (e.g. excess dirt, extreme body odor, etc.)

In most cases, refusal of service is warranted where a customer’s presence detracts from the safety, welfare, and well-being of other patrons and the businesses itself.

There is no reason to refuse service otherwise than to be hateful.

 

This is an important point. The default is that a business offering a product for sale to the public, must sell it to a member of the public. This default can be overridden for the reasons you list, and perhaps courts might be persuaded of other reasons in individual fact situations. But when a dispute arises, it's not up to the customer to show cause why he should be served, it's up to the business to show cause (and convince the court that the cause is sufficient).

 

Then so be it, regulation and law will fix the ills of society and government is the answer by creating different classes of people.

At what point will we be successful? As a society how sterile can we get?

 

do you believe that $150,000 is sufficient compensation for the 2 homosexuals for having to go down the street to obtain a cake with homosexual messages on it?

 

Do I? Nope. But I am not on the jury, so hence it does not matter what I think is the correct amount.

 

Technically the dispute was brought to the government, the government didn't go looking for the case, so it is their job to make a determination based on the facts of the case.

When people realize this a free country and they need to at least get along. They don't have to like each other, but they shouldn't be going around trying to find reasons to hate one another and cause as much distress as possible because they do.

 

They should sell the cake ....though it doesn't have to taste good

 

You're certainly living up to your user name. Discrimination isn't about what you sell, it's about who you sell it to. If you were in the business of selling ham samiches, and you refused to sell them to Jews, you would be discriminating.

 

So they haven't been fined yet? Your thread title is a lie?