Bang, bang

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  1. Shook

    Shook Well-Known Member

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    Gert Frobe also played Goldfinger.
     
  2. Cosmo

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    Fundamentalism has a religious connotation; that's your territory.
    Own it!
     
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    yes...
     
  4. gfm7175

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    YOU are the one being religious about this topic. The fundamentalism here is YOURS. Own it!

    Not all believers of a particular religion are fundamentalists btw.
     
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    If you want to discuss science objectively check your politics, religion and narcissism at the door. Until then you will be ignored.
     
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    I thought we had this issue all figured out already. I guess we'll have to go see for ourselves--

     
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    One of the best things about science is that it is self correcting.

    As we gain new knowledge we have to go back and recheck our old knowledge to ensure that it is still consistent with what we now know. WRT to the Big Bang itself there does not seem to be much in the way of dispute over that the event happened but more about what happened immediately afterwards.
     
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    You're the one with those issues, not me.
     
  9. Cosmo

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    My statement is spot on; your posts in these forums confirm it.
    -fini-
     
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    Since the big bang is nothing more than theory, what was before the big bang is a mere fraction of a theory.
     
  11. politicalcenter

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    There was no time before the big bang. Therefore nothing happened.
     
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    Or so the theory says.
     
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    (original)late Banned

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    That's one way of describing it, not the best way, but... so what?

    Our understanding of such things has improved a lot. Science can be like that when the problem is tough, slow, but it will eventually get there.
     
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    I didn't say otherwise. You should read the post to which I responded.
     
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    I did.

    And again... so what?
     
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    So nothing. What you wrote was a waste.
     
  17. politicalcenter

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    If man is smart enough. We may just be really stupid with an inflated ego. Like a kitten or a baby goat strutting about.
     
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  18. WillReadmore

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    I see plenty of signs of humans being both stupid and arrogant. No problem there!!

    However, the point of scientific methods is to correct for errors as efficiently as possible.

    Let's remember that the big bang, one of the more prominent theories of today, has probably never been more under careful examination by scientists than it is today. There are multiple lines of evidence and each of those lines of evidence continues to be examined more and more carefully.

    And, the same is true for the theory of relativity.

    So, there is NO concept of these being "off limits" for questioning. But, when someone wants to question them, they better bring along some serious justification, because they continue to withstand the hardest assaults that highly motivated experts from the world over can possibly bring.
     
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    I am not saying don't try. I am saying we may never figure it out. Like multiple dimensions. I ain't smart enough. I see 3 dimensions and time.
     
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    Yes. You and I don't see viruses, either.

    It takes significant training and equipment to "see" many of the things that make a signficant difference in our lives.

    While we undboubtedly won't figure it all out, we can figure out the answers to question that do have a signficant impact on our lives.

    (If we ever had it all figured out, science would be the absolute LAST place anyone would want to spend their time! The interest comes in that we don't know it all.)
     
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    With the right equipment I can see a virus. But the fifth ,sixth , seventh dimension? It seems outside the realm of possibility for me to visualize. And if I can't see it I am blind to it.
     
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    Well, you may be happy to know that those additional dimensions are outside science (experimental science) for the very reason that they can't be tested. Serious physicists do postulate that extra dimensions would support answers to various questions all physicists have. However, science won't accept those ideas until they can be tested - which isn't possible today! And, physicists fully back that science has to opreate like that.

    The big bang is not outside of science, because it can be tested. There are multiple approaches to studying the big bang, and there are physicists doing that constantly. Maybe they'll prove the big bang theory to be false - but that looks unlikely.

    I'd point out that quarks (that make up things like protons) are also outside the possibility of "seeing them". They, too, have to be detected in other ways than sight. But, that doesn't make them less real.
     
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    How do you do the math for more than three dimensions? It seems that if there were more than 3 physical dimensions I could never cut anything to fit.
     
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    Only in YOUR own misinformed OPINION because what he wrote was accurate in ALL respects!
     
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    It was MATH that told us that the Higgs Boson must exist and it was through the relentless pursuit of SCIENCE it was eventually discovered.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-the-higgs-boson-was-found-4723520/

    The MATH tells us that other dimensions exist and now it is up to us to imagine them and figure out how we are going to be able to prove that they exist.

    That is a very stimulating mental exercise.
     
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