BBC: Turkey 'shoots down Russian warplane on Syria border'

A NATO country cannot go around shooting down warplanes in foriegn airspace.

Turkey is in a stickey mess too.

Initially, reports stated that the both pilots where shot while they parachuting down to the ground.

Then the reports got changed to rebel forces doing that.

Both reports stated that both pilots were dead, but a later report said that one of them were alive and is in rebel hands.

Based on this I can conclude that 2 things could have happened

1. Russian jet has been indeed been shot down over Turkish airspace. This means that it was turkey who also shot killed the pilots while they were parachuting down as the initial report stated.

If you didn't know. Attacks on parachutists, in term of the law of war, is when pilots, aircrews, and/or passengers are attacked while descending by parachutes from disabled aircraft during a war. This practice is considered by most militaries around the world to be inhumane, barbaric, and unchivalrous, that it is unnecessary killing (i.e., they would eventually become prisoners of war if parachuted over enemy territory), that it is contrary to fair play, and that military pilots have to be held to a higher standard. Attacking people parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I in addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions. However, it is not prohibited under this Protocol to open fire on airborne troops who are descending by parachutes, even if their aircraft is in distress.

So you have Turkey committing a war crime in broad daylight.

2nd thing that could have happened is that Russian warplanes was shot down over Syrian airspace, in which case Turkey would be engaging in an act of agression towards Russia. The fact that they lied about it doesn't make the situation any better.


What I think is that the pilot was shot down in Syrian airspace. After all Syrian rebels have captured one of them alive according to the newest reports that I've heard.



As you can see, in both cases Turkey is in deep sh!t.

If russia goes about this the right way, it could show and prove to the interantional community that turkey has agressivery shot down a Russian pilot in Syrian air space and have them pay the price. Whether it be saction, blockades.

I think the fact that the new leader took his position by force and raided the news stations that spoke against him, in addition to him shooting down a Russian war plane in Syrian air space will put him in a pickle. He will be pressured to step down by NATO after this is over.


If Putin plays his hands really well, he can prove his allegations of him working with ISIS shortly after. That way, he can be tried as a terrorist conspirator too.

 

even Stalin didnt do it, good luck , i want to see it )))

come on, guys speaks Turkish (turkmen brigade ) , they are not IS 100%
http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/

 

Crapppppp

 

Muscovite pilots got 10 warnings ....

 

Number 1: The pilots ejected near the border, correct? How do you know it was the Turks who killed them?

And I agree with your initial statement. The way you handle those situations is to send 'escort' planes to scoot them back out of your airspace. Europe has been doing that to Russia for years.

Shooting down that plane was a HUGE mistake. The US should not be sticking up for Turkey. Obama just made his legacy. The start of a major global crisis.

 

i was not a mistake, USA/coalition are pushing Putin out of Syria

 

That's stupid. Putin's doing our dirty work. Leave him alone and let him kill the terrorists.

 

The story is exactly what it is - nothing more. A Russian war plane violated Turkish airspace and the Turks shot it down.

 

Putin will respond by aiding Kurdish rebels.

my prediction

 

no connection to yesterday´s Crimea power blackout ?

 

There's the problem - Putin is not doing Erdogan's dirty work. Erdogan wants Assad removed from power and Putin does not.

 

Chechens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechens_in_Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassians

in this case Turkey with USA support moves in Caucasus , 60-80% of all top- officers in Turkish army are the Circassians

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ok, you know that Assad control only 10% of S territory, so whats the point?

 

So what you're saying is that a person born and bred under Communism all his life, part of the KGB officer corps is a follower of Italian Fascism? Haven't most Progressive Socialists told us repeatedly that Fascism and Communism are two totally different political ideologies? How can that be?

 

Why? I figure they just about started working togeather. The Syrian conflict is not about Assad or anything else of that sort. It about a gass pipeline. That's why we sent in "rebels" to syria in the first place.

It's possible that they will find a compromise regarding this gas pipeline.

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Yeh, I thought the same thing. Bulshaviec as they called them were less than human in their eyes.

 

The point is to force Fabio to put on a shirt.

Evidently, Erdogan is unimpressed...

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=432068&p=1065540475#post1065540475

do they look like the commies to you?

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LOL, Fabio ?)))))

 

Common, the border between Turkey and Syria is not well defined and was moved by Turkey several times. 1km in the airspace on the border between Turkey and Syria- is nothing for an airplane. Moreover, the plane was shot down on the territory of Syria.

 

We're forever escorting you (Russia) out of our air space or an area very near but then you aren't bombing here.

 

Interesting. So, is it true then that "the friend of my enemy is my enemy"? If so, they'd better start bringing in emergency shipments of toilet paper into Ankara, and quickly! They'll be (*)(*)(*)(*)ting in their pants if the Russians decide that they, too, are the "enemy".... Who in NATO is going to fight to defend this action by Turkey? Russia wasn't attacking them! Oh, wait -- of course, here comes President Red Line to defend Turkey, when he won't even do anything to defend our own borders, or throw out violent illegal alien criminals in our country! It has not (NOT) even been established that the Russian plane was actually in the airspace of Turkey, but Obama has already made statements defending Turkey as though this is a concrete fact. The Russians flatly deny it! And, in a greater sense, why would Turkey fight against Russia when the only forces that Russia was attacking were non-Turkish, and very possibly anti-Turkish?!

It has been reported that at least one of the Russian aircrew was murdered by forces on the ground as the man tried to parachute from the stricken plane: https://www.rt.com/news/323237-video-dead-russian-pilot/ . Some say that others survived and are held, but by who? The "Turkomens"...? I'm not sure what a "Turkomen" is, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be one if the Russians decide to go ahead and wipe their asses out, once and for all.

 

No problem, one can escort the airplane and even force it to fly out of the airspace, but not to shoot it down. Actually, Turkish pilots often violated the Iranian airspace. If the bomber was accompanied by the Russian jet fighter, it is unlikely that it was attacked.

 

Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism....They are not antipodes, they are twins.
--Joseph Stalin, 1924

As you may recall, Mussolini was a socialist at one time, too.

Any more questions?
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Not in my world I believe they are the same with slight nuances, but Progressive Socialists continue to tell us no, trying to split ideological hairs.

 

It's all very interesting, indeed. It would appear that Erdogan is sending the shirtless wonder in the Kremlin a message.

Maybe the two of them can get together and donate Obama a quart of testosterone...

 

I would agree that they are very much the same, and they certainly have one thing in common - both of them are the enemies of individual freedom.

 

Assad shouldn't be removed from power. He's against the same extremism the west is. He just has his "own ways" of handling it. Some people think it's inhumane. I don't.