BBC: Turkey 'shoots down Russian warplane on Syria border'

Listen....if the same thing happened over Russia or the U.S. we would shoot the aircraft down as well and you know it!!

AboveAlpha

 

Or or or... Have you considered the possibility that this isn't some evil western plot to hurt your poor beloved innocent sweet Russia and that it was actually a case of Russians being retarded once again and trying to push the limits and it finally bit them?

 

The GRU saw this as....if the Turkish Air Force does not shoot our aircraft down we win.

If they shoot it down we win as well in public opinion.

This was well planned.

AboveAlpha

 

Once again: Turkey must have concrete proofs the Su was in Turkey's airspace. And such proof could be concrete only if the airplane's debris fell on the Turkish soil. That's not happened.

And if we accept the theory the Su was in Turkey's airspace (what is not confirmed as we know Turks used to lie earlier about their F-4) that what Turks have done is unprofessional and stupid. If you're shooting at airplane, take care it downs on your land - to make no questions for all. The airplane lies on Syrian land.

 

Moscow's resolve in hindering Erdogan with his megalomaniacal ambition, is the same as it was in hindering those of Adolph Hitler's in WWII. Washington might be pandering to him at the expense of certain nations and people, but it will no more stop Erdogan than it did his megalomaniacal predecessor in the 1930's.

Moscow is well aware of Turkey's moves and deceptions...as are other nations in the area. Every move and advance Russia has made in the Eastern Mediterranean militarily and in Syria these past years...even offering him economic and trade benefits to pacify him, has been for that reason.

As for a war between Russia and Turkey, there will be one because Erdogans head will not get smaller. It will keep on growing until it cannot be contained anymore. When he challenges Russia by closing the Bosporus, then Istanbul will turn into Grozny. Only Saint Sophia will be left standing.

Pray for the Turkish people.

 

Every aviator knows where an aircraft is hit by a missile and where it crashes can be over a 100 miles in difference.

Besides....we know where the Su-24 was.

The U.S. Military has the most advanced and accurate aircraft detection system ever existing in human history.

U.S. Cyber Command even extracted the Russian inflight data from the Su-24.

AboveAlpha

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I'm saying that I don't think this was Putin's idea.

Not from my experience.

This was GRU.

AboveAlpha

 

There will not be a war between Russia and Turkey.

Turkey is part of NATO.

Any attack by Russia upon Turkey would result in a massive U.S./NATO response.

The Russian Military could not survive such an attack without using Nukes.

AboveAlpha

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LOL!!!!

No....I am not Company.

And if anything I am an INFORMATION AGENT.

AboveAlpha

 

It's such a sad situation in the Middle East. You'd think there'd be a unified response against all the troublemakers, from the government of Israel to the scum of Daesh and that idiot Assad who is fighting for his golden armchair in the presidential palace. The Turkish government hates the Kurds, who hate Daesh, who hate everybody else. Iran and Russia back the Syrian government, who hate Daesh, and the Houthi Rebels, who hate Saudi Arabia. Anyways, to stick to the topic, the shooting down of the Russian plane, and the probable subsequent capture of the pilot by Daesh, would only prove Turkey's complicity in allowing the Daeshi scum to operate against the Kurds.

Kids, can you spell clusterf!@#?

 

They have been killing each other in the Middle East for centuries.

Tribes, Religious Sects...etc.

It is a Cluster !

AboveAlpha

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A statement without historical fact to back it up.

The situation right now involves many parties with vested political interests, both Eastern and Western powers vying for dominance and control of resources, hearts, and minds, with no interest in seeing the nations develop as a whole.

 

Hmmm... Pretty sure this right here is a violation of the forums code of conduct. Mods?

 

No it doesnt. Even if it did in 2018 russian new radar wI'll be peerless

 

There is no question that every now and then some very good tech. comes out of Russia.

But after the collapse of the Soviet Union the United States which was already well ahead in tech. leaped multiple decades ahead.

Right now the gap is just too large for Russia to close.

AboveAlpha

 

lol!!!!

you mean like from 1939 to 1941, when the Russians aided the Nazis with weapons, intelligence, and supplies?

they even turned over German anti-Fascists to the Gestapo.

 

Stalin had a Non-aggression pact with Hitler and the Nazi's.

U.S. General Patton didn't trust Stalin at all and he was right.

AboveAlpha

 

One problem here, the Russian plane was not in Turkish airspace...nor was the plane that attacked it. It was a deliberate attack on Russia by Turkey in support of the terrorists. The Turkish plane even crossed illegally into Syria so they could shoot it down...and they will pay dearly for it.

Actually from what I read, they are paying for it. I wonder if there will be anyone left in the area. Maybe that's why Erdogan's running scared. Now he said they didn't know it was a Russian plane.

 

What are you talking about?

Turkey's airspace is covered by NATO and U.S. Airspace Detection using radars, satellites, IR-Light detection...etc.

We know EXACTLY where this happened and what happened.

All the Russian Su-24 pilots had to do was either respond or change course.

They did neither.

This was planned and purposeful.

AboveAlpha

 

the plane was in Turkish airspace

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Patton should have killed Stalin when he had the chance.

 

Yes the plane was shot down after it had left a relatively peninsular area of Turkish air space.
Putin is sending a navy ship to the Eastern Mediterranean that will offer defensive cover for Russian planes.
This was, Dumber than Dumb of the Turk.
The next Turkish plane to try the same will be obliterated by the Russian naval vessel. And so it goes.

[video=youtube;6ndA1gFjmuk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ndA1gFjmuk[/video]


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He wanted to go in.

Ike pulled him out of the party scene.

AboveAlpha

 

We are talking about American made F-16's here.

Admittedly the Turkish export version.

But still more than capable of avoiding or burning out Russian anti-aircraft missiles guidance systems.

AboveAlpha

 

No.

Their new AI is a software that can be uploaded into any robotic platform. A tank, a jet, an air defense system all could be run on this single Software. Since its a software. It'd a software.


American AI are made for a specific platform and will not work outside of that. Russian IA is a fully atonomous killing SOFTWARE. Upgrade it and give it an ability to hack into other robotic devices and you will have real life virsion of skynet.

Russian new balistic missiles which are a mobile based platform can bypass any current missile shield or any future missile shields for 15-20 years. Their production has been in the news since 2010. It was said that it would be completed by 2018. It's now nearly fully operational and is being integrated as we speak. This platform can be placed in containers and transported by ship or train. It can be placed anywhere undetected.

Their new submarine was dubbed the "black hole" by NATO because it's undetectable. That sub can fire a nuclear weapon without detection. I find it funny that I learned of this sub in the wake of Britain freaking out about a sub that they spotted but couldn't lacate. They had a whole NATO team on it. Wonder if they ever found it?
And there the photonic radar.

Russia to test-launch &#8216;break-through&#8217; photonic radar by 2018 - producer


Russia&#8217;s major electronic warfare systems producer is set to test a photonic radar station within three years. It is expected to open a new era of light and precise radar electronics for systems where weight is critical, such as drones and satellites.
The radio-photonic radar system of the future will be based on active radio-optical phased array (Russian abbreviation: ROFAR) technology being developed now by Radio-Electronic Technologies Concern (KRET), an integral part of the Rostech state corporation.

&#8220;The KRET has launched radio-photonic laboratory research to create ROFAR to be integrated on next generation radar systems, which is expected to deliver breakthrough performance characteristics to radiolocation stations,&#8221; Igor Nasenkov, deputy general director of KRET, told RIA Novosti during the Dubai Airshow 2015.

Work on ROFAR involves the creation of a specific laboratory complex within KRET. It will develop a universal technology to be later integrated into various next generation electronic systems.

Nasenkov specified that the 4.5-year ROFAR program will be fulfilled on time, adding a full-scale specimen is expected to be test-launched &#8220;by 2018.&#8221;

Photonic technology will significantly expand the capabilities of modern communication and radar systems, Nasenkov said. Photonic equipment is expected to be more than twice as light as current systems and vastly more precise.

Earlier this year KRET announced that radio-photonic antennas will have &#8220;unique stability&#8221; regards electromagnetic-frequency impulses, such as those caused by close-range lightning strikes, solar magnetic storms and EMP effects caused by nuclear explosions.

KRET believes that radio-photonic technology will pave the way for both military and civilian electronics of the future, as the tech will be applied in radio astronomy, radio detection and ranging, optical fiber and mobile communications and other practical fields.For Russia, development of radio photonics is crucial and will mark a &#8220;huge scientific and technological breakthrough.&#8221;

The KRET was formed in 2009 and specializes in the development of military and civilian ground and airborne electronic systems.

So if the F35 can't hide from current russian radar, imagine when then integrate this photonic radar.


So fact is, Nations can throw their weight araound and present their streangths. But everyone knows that russia has the biggest strength of all. Nuclear capability. Regardless of what happens, no one would risk a war with russia. No anyone smart at least. Putin verbalized that he would use nuclear weapons if the need came on multiple occasions.

 

Russia&#8217;s new T-50-variant Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (PAK FA) may feature the most accurate air-to-air missile system ever devised. The new system specifically targets the ability of skilled fighter pilots to engage in violent maneuvers to break missile locks in older-generation technology, based on a radar system held within the nose of the missile.

The new missile, pegged the K-77M, was described by Russia Today as an &#8220;absolute killer.&#8221; It notes that what sets the K-77M&#8217;s technology apart from its counterparts is the implementation of a &#8220;active phased array antenna (APAA)&#8221; which essentially solves the lock-on problem by addressing the radar&#8217;s &#8220;field of view&#8221; problem. Previously, this limitation allowed pilots to swing their jets out of the range of a tailing guided missile when in close proximity, evading the scope of the radar&#8217;s view. The K-77M essentially implements a solution similar to the Raytheon&#8217;s Patriot surface-to-air (SAM) missile system, according to Russia Today.

Russia Today explains the technology in more detail: &#8220;An active phased array antenna consists of a large number of cone-shaped cells installed under a transparent-to-radio-waves cap on the nose of the missile. Each cell receives only a part of the signal, but once digitally processed, the information from all cells is summarized into a &#8216;full picture,&#8217; enabling the K-77M missile to immediately respond to sharp turns of the target, making interception practically inevitable.&#8221;

The development of this air-to-air missile &#8212; suspected to be the most accurate missile ever developed in its class &#8212; could be a major coup for Russia&#8217;s Detal design bureau, the developer. Russia Times notes that the chief engineer of the Detal design bureau hopes to begin manufacturing in 2015 after establishing a production facility. The economics of the missile appear to be favorable, even given the tall price-tag associated with APAA-equipped missile technology. Given the all-but-guaranteed accuracy of the system, Russia is likely to find several buyers. The K-77M could also render the PAK FA a more compelling purchase for buyers. The K-77M is reportedly compatible with previous generation Sukhoi fighters as well.

Russia already has interested buyers in the PAK FA. India is a major financial and research partner in the development of the next-generation fighter, and is expected to order around 200 units. The jointly-developed version is referred to as a the Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft, a further derivative of the main PAK FA project. Until now, the primary Russian pitch on the Sukhoi PAK FA was its low cost compared to the U.S. F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II. The addition of the hyper-accurate missile tech offers a compelling value-add in Russia technology, at least in the short term. The allure of an air-to-air missile that both in theory and practice never misses may be too much for prospective buyers to resist.

As far as The Diplomat was able to confirm, the United States does not seem to have air-to-air missile technology in existence or in known current development to compete with the K-77M&#8217;s accuracy.

http://thediplomat.com/2013/12/new-russian-air-to-air-missiles-will-field-almost-perfect-accuracy/

 

OK...since you are not versed in Physics I will inform you of a few things.

Anything labeled....Photonic....is specific to Photons or Light.

Electromagnetics cannot effect Light but it can effect other materials that are comprised of Atom's that can accept or share additional electrons in their outer Electron Orbital fields.

Everything posted above you posted is nonsensical.

AboveAlpha

 

The T-50 only exists as a failed design and only 12 were scheduled to be built by the end of 2015 and as they need to be redesigned only 9 will be built.

The T-50 is not a match for the F-22 Raptor and by the time a redesigned T-50 comes out the U.S. will have deployed it's new Gen. 7 Robotic Self Autonomous Fighter Attack Stealth Drone.

30 times the maneuverability than an F-22.

No pilot.

Can fly on station for 72 hours without mid-air refueling and fly for 10 days straight with.

AboveAlpha