Best home defense weapon

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  1. Alucard

    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    No guns! A home security system is what I own.
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    So I did and the cheapest ones are over $150, with the ones that actually work costing up in the $400-600 range. If someone is going to spend that much to get in when you're there he's probably a hired assassin and you have bigger problems than home security. Most other types have a battery backup in a secured place

    A shotgun is a backup if you feel really insecure but you should realize that in the end it's still more likely to kill you or a loved one. You may say that can't happen with you but nobody thinks it can happen to them, and it still does. Are there really so many people trying to break in and kill you that it's worth the risk?
     
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    Actually Al, for home defense a shotgun like an 870 may not be your best choice. 00 Buck will spread with open bore at 10 to 12 inches per 10 yards which at home invasion ranges makes it shoot like a heavy recoiling carbine. A double barrel either a side by side coach gun or over and under is actually shorter and quicker to fire. A 20 gauge is very quick. Anything in bullpup configuration is much better close in.
     
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    You can buy a working jammer for 45$ on the un-indexed pages.
     
  5. QLB

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    And when that is breached what happens?
     
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    A 12 GA is great for home defense. The 870 has a draw back, to me anyhow. Your trigger finger has 3 jobs on an 870; work the trigger, work the safety, and also work the slide release. On something like a Mossberg 500 the trigger finger works the trigger, middle finger for the slide release, and thumb for the safety. An extended mag tube is only good if one is running a long barrel. A 28" bbl is not my 1st choice for clearing a house, a 18" with collapsible stock is a better choice; easier to swing, easier to clear cover, easier to pie around corners, and grants better weapon retention. With a side saddle a pump shotgun is easy to do tactical reloads. If you mount a shell holder on it and reload as in competition; it is extremely fast to reload. Buck shot WILL penetrate a lot of walls. If they are made if brick, maybe not so much, but all shot will penetrate a window.
    Handguns. If you heard a bump in the night and you went to investigate; you'll likely have the gun in one hand & flashlight in the other. If the gun has a mounted light, you'll probably have a phone in the other hand. Reloads most likely are not going to happen. But I guess there is an ever so slight chance, stick that mag in the elastic of your drawers then lol.
    Glocks are... glocks. One of the drawbacks for glocks is that they require very firm wrist. I've saw several hardcore Glock fanatics shoot one handed, especially weak side, and the gun will have a failure to extract or failure to eject (talking about in advanced and defensive training, not standing still shooting at a static bullseye target with no time limit.) A handgun is easier to move with.
    Years ago 9mm was considered not a great round. Ammo advancements in the last decade+ have changed that. The 9mm has less mass than a 40 or 45, therefore it penetrates better. That can be good if you need to defeat the barrier the bad guy is behind, bad if you are worried about over penetration. If you have neighbors houses close to yours, a frangible round is less likely to go through your wall, through their window and hit their microwave.
     
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    I've done lots of time with tactical shotguns. Unless you're trained on them, not so good for home defense for a amateur. Lots of blast and lots of recoil with zip for spread at close range. I like IC choke with the first round Dixie Triball. It will give low grade armor a run for its money and go through a lot of bad guys if you can catch them in a choke point like a hallway. Point and slack on most entry teams are carbines with bull pups having an advantage. If you want a shotgun, then a side by side or over/under is smaller, lighter, shorter and quicker. I've fired thousands of round through Glocks with only a single malfunction. I don't know where you're getting your stuff about Glocks. Female LEO's, not known for the strongest grips overwhelmingly choose the G19 if they can make the choice.
     
  8. Ziplok

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    Easy man, same team. I listed some positives and negatives for a shotgun & handgun.
    I'm glad you mentioned training. I believe more people should take it upon themselves to seek professional firearms training.
    I am an instructor. You can trust what I've said about Glocks needing a firm wrist. Have saw several failures to extract/eject because of limp wristing, primarily smaller females.
     
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    I suppose there are some people who would so panic in a home invasion they would would kill themselves in irrational fear. But I've never read of that happening. You think you would shot yourself if you had a firearm? Would you also stab yourself or hit yourself in the head with a hammer if there was a home invasion?
     
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    http://image.slidesharecdn.com/homeinvasions-100610082033-phpapp01/95/home-invasions-1-728.jpg?cb=1276324206

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    Over 2,000,000 home invasions per year. ~According to a United States Dept. of Justice: 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions. ~Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America.

    There are over 2,000,000 home invasions per year ~According to a United States Dept. of Justice: 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions. ~Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America.

    Then again, there are liberals that believe that rape doesn't really hurt anyone and better a million raped girls than 1 rapist killed with a gun.
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...ade-minneapolis-home-rape-woman-daughter.html

    Many anti-gunners read this story and sigh relief that the rapists were not injured. That's all that really matters to them. Since the mother and daughter lived, then no-harm-no-foul. And if either now is HIV positive or pregnant? Well, they'll explain that's just part of being a woman (or girl) and their rightful place in society. Just don't harm the rapists.
     
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    Sorry, I get it. What's good for me and good for you is not so good for the average joe/jane. Personally, I think that a pistol caliber carbine using the same magazines as an accompanying high capacity pistol is the best option for most people. Recoil and flash are minimal with the ability to use a holo sight, laser or strobe light. It keep the process simple.
     
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    Pump shotguns are slow, very. A good home defense is a semi-auto shotgun, full stock but legal length shortened barrel. 16 gauge 00 for a small adult, ordinary 12 gauge 00 for a large adult.

    Bullpups are great, but not with people about the house due to wall penetration.
     
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    I think it's best to train on everything you can, then figure what works best for you... then buy half a dozen of them, and place them strategically in various fall backpositions. Lol
     
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    A German Shepherd, an 8 round shotgun and a 40 S&W on the hip with 14 rounds. Brand of your choice as long as it works well with quality ammo. I have a Beretta PX4 that has yet to jam, fail to feed, or fail to extract.
     
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    I am really glad I had Police training and have never relied on the Internet for information about firearms.

    Myths & Facts

    1. Myth: you don't have to aim a shotgun.

    2. Myth: the Glock 19 is not very accurate

    3. Myth: A gun kept in the home is more likely to kill a family member than a home invader.

    4. Myth 9mm is not a good defensive caliber.
    Fact - after intensive study, the FBI has gone back to 9mm

    5. Myth: You do not need a firearm, the Police will protect you.

    6. Fact: Loud firearms can help make you deaf(er) !
     
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    My wife will be calling the police, if my dogs don't kill them, then I will...Seriously, something is wrong with you if you break into a home protected by 2 german shepherds...I'm thinking mental health issues or drugs.
     
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    If you don't want to get tried for murder then a taser or a can of mace, if you're thinking shoot to kill then Remington all the way. But keeping it to non lethal methods I would settle for a loose brick, you can put somebody in the dirt really fast with that one (and the added bonus of not having to convince a judge it was self defense not murder)
     
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    The best deterrent to a home invasion is indeed a dog barking. Doesn't even have to be a fierce dog although that certainly would help. They both alert you and deter the burglar plus they will be your best friend to the end.
    Weapon: It all depends on what you're most comfortable using. 12 Gauge pistol grip is hard to beat. Pump is slower to reload but less likely to jam. Slug or buckshot is lethal. 9mm holds 30 rounds with extended mag for a horde of zombies. The best weapon IMO however is an AR-15. Very similar to what the military uses. https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/5/26/the-ar-for-home-defense-one-experts-opinion
     
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    I vote for semi-auto 12 gauge.
    Although a sawed-off double barrel can be enough.
    Myself,well;I have one of those guns that will overpenetrate,and it doesn't matter where I hit you,you're probably going to die.
    It would probably be safer for my neighbors if I cop a shotgun.
     
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    if you don't have to leave a room to protect a child or an invalid-a FNH SLP-1 shotgun is the best possible choice for the average man or stronger woman
     
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    MP5 ...hands down.
     
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    I'm a Brit so what the hell do I know about guns, but I'm surprised to see in various American survival forums that a lot of people like .22 pistols.
    That sounds a bit small to me, with no stopping power, or am I missing something?
    For example Serpico took a pointblank .225 shot to the kisser and it just left him dazed-

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    Other deterrents are: activating your car's panic button which will set off your car horn; activating your homes emergency siren (some people have installed mechanical sirens on the the roofs of their homes/barns/out side buildings) which will let anyone within a mile there is an issue.
     
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    I love the AR15 because it's stocked similarly to my duty issued M4. Once you sight it, it's like the same gun. The AR15 is great for protecting your home.
     
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