Biblical Contradictions

I thought this was rather interesting. I suppose that is what happens when a text is written years after the fact, edited by unknown authors, and is decided to be the word of god on the whim and agenda of man.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk"]Quiz Show (Bible Contradictions) - YouTube[/ame]

 

Texts are always written after the fact, unless of course you're a prophet. I would reply to what you think are contradictions in the Bible. I'm on my iPhone with limited battery, so no I won't watch the silly video.

 

Why don't the preachers just have an online bible church and get free money that way?

 

What contradictions? You mean the contradictions that are the result of inept scholars attempting to decipher a language that they don't really know?

 

If you see contradictions, you are not a believer.
If you are a believer, there are no contradictions.
Do you see any contradictions here ?

 

How about the two Adam and Eve origin stories in Genesis? Or God referring to Himself in the plural in the Old Testament?

 

Oh.... of course.

But then again, wouldn't a god ensure they would translate his word properly?

Check mate?

 

Separate the Christian bit of the Bible from the old tribal stuff (oh, and ditch Revelations) and you'll only have the problems of popular tradition written down later, like me trying to make sense of my Mother's family memories.

 

Why would God want to make such mandates, when such a mandate would of necessity interfere with mans 'free will'? The right to choose what one wants to believe.

Nah... just another of your unsupported 'false claims'.

 

I am only going to address a few of the scriptures that are mentioned in that video.


Micah 7:18 (KJV)
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

For ever
Hebrew Word: ‏עַד‎
Transliteration: ʿad
Phonetic Pronunciation: ad
Root: from <H5710>
Cross Reference: TWOT - 1565a
Part of Speech: n m
Vine's Words: None



from <H5710> (`adah); properly a (peremptory) terminus, i.e. (by implication) duration, in the sense of advance or perpetuity (substantially as a noun, either with or without a preposition) :- eternity, ever (-lasting, -more), old, perpetually, + world without end.

&#8212; Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

Context is very important when studying the Bible because it is very easy to take one scripture out of what comes before and after. The above is what the prophet Micah said about God. He was talking about God&#8217;s deliverance of the Israelites from their enemy and the promis He made to Abraham.

The verse below is what God Himself has said about the tribe of Judah, their laps into worshiping of false gods. Both verses that says for ever which is translated from the Hebrew word ad, does not mean without end. That word implies a fix duration, a certain period of time after which God is no longer angry.

Jeremiah 17:4 (KJV)
4 And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.

For ever
Hebrew Word: &#8207;&#1506;&#1463;&#1491;&#8206;
Transliteration: &#703;ad
Phonetic Pronunciation: ad
Root: properly, the same as <H5703> (used as prep, adv or conj)
Cross Reference: TWOT - 1565c
Part of Speech:
Vine's Words: None



properly the same as <H5703> (`ad) (used as a preposition, adverb or conjunction; especially with a preposition); as far (or long, or much) as, whether of space (even unto) or time (during, while, until) or degree (equally with) :- against, and, as, at, before, by (that), even (to), for (-asmuch as), [hither-] to, + how long, into, as long (much) as, (so) that, till, toward, until, when, while, (+ as) yet.

&#8212; Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

Genesis 22:1 (KJV)
1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
The word in the Greek does not mean tempt but to test. Abraham was tested by God not tempted.

Tempt
Hebrew Word: &#8207;&#1504;&#1464;&#1505;&#1464;&#1492;&#8206;
Transliteration: n&#257;sâ
Phonetic Pronunciation: naw-saw'
Root: a primitive root
Cross Reference: TWOT - 1373
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: None



a primitive root; to test; by implication to attempt :- adventure, assay, prove, tempt, try.
&#8212; Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary



Like I said before context is very important when studying the Bible. You can&#8217;t just read the Bible like a story book&#8230;..each scripture must be studied carefully not only to know the original word in the Greek or Hebrew means, but also what the writer intended to get across. And it is not always easy for a word in one language to be translated into another language&#8230;&#8230;.often times the intent is lost in the translation and some words have no counterpart in the language its being translated into. So what James was talking about is that a person is tempted by his or her own lustful desires and that it is not God that put him in that situation.

James 1:13 (KJV)
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Tempteth
Greek Word: &#960;&#949;&#953;&#961;&#8049;&#950;&#969;
Transliteration: peiraz&#333;
Phonetic Pronunciation: pi-rad'-zo
Root: from <G3984>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 6:23,822
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Examination, Examine, Prove, Tempt, Try, Tried



from <G3984> (peira); to test (object), i.e. endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline :- assay, examine, go about, prove, tempt (-er), try.
&#8212; Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary


When a person dedicate themselves to be a critic of something that is what they will be......and being a critic does not automatically makes one an authority on what they are critiquing.

 

God saw to it that His word was carefully preserve in the Hebrew and the Greek, and He moved men to translate it into other languages. If a language is unable to bring across the full meaning and intent of what it is saying in the Greek or Hebrew, that is the just the limitation of that language. That is why we have various English translations.

 

Errors in translation is not a "choice to believe".

Your response is nothing more than apologetic in nature.

 

Who said anything about a 'choice to believe'? More of your wild imaginings?

Besides, you are the one who brought up the subject of 'translations' as in "But then again, wouldn't a god ensure they would translate his word properly?" If you did not want to discuss translations (which would of necessity require the inclusion of erroneous translations), then you should not have brought up that subject without establishing the exclusion of such erroneous or possibly erroneous translations.

 

He did. You on the other hand, are not worthy of the answer.

 

If God wrote a book it would make a lot more sense than the Bible. The devil is responsible for 10 deaths in the Bible but God killed the entire world with the flood. Makes you wonder if it even is real who the good guy is. Good thing it ISN'T.

 

One of the genesis text comes from a ****rw manuscript, the other comes from a greek manuscript. Since none of those manuscript are complete, they are thus included both in the OT because they complement each other.

 

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The OT is in two different languages, apparently in two different versions, that are both included? That is not actually possible is it?

There is also the fact that the older Hebrew transcripts are not just the Old Testament, they are the Torah and Talmud. They are not translated in Greek until Christianity comes along and translates them as it expands around the region - because Greek the academic language of the period and educated people everywhere can ALREADY read it - rather than having to learn Hebrew.

There are no significant translation errors that fundamentally alter the meaning of the text. When in doubt, the Hebrew manuscript can be consulted to clear the matter up.

I wonder where this kind of Biblical scholarship comes from?

 

What I wrote, I took from the Jerusalem Bible comment.

The torah and Talmud aren't original material either. Plenty of text and "edition" have had an impact on them also. When came the time to create the bible, the scholar chose the oldest of manuscript which were incomplete. As a matter of fact, they used severals, this is why the bit about Abraham passing himself as is wife brother and "trading" her to the pharao appear twice in the hebrew genesis. The first time as a gloss over and latter with more interaction with the pharao. Hence the need for the greek version as well.

(removed rant)

 

God is a triune God

 

he never says worship us though.
we is the royal we; implies power.

 

So, basically you are making grandiose claims which are supported by the word choices of two words out of thousands? And that means that both Greek and Hebrew are used in genesis? Even though we have early copies in both languages and teh translations convey the same message - well, to all apparently but random atheists scholars who have clearly not read.

So, just to track, if you see this:

The children are quiet.

The children are silent.

We can then postulate that the entire meaning is flawed in the various tanslations and that entirely different meanings are imparted? Right.

It's funny, academics taht conflict with atheist world views aer simply dismissed as rants?

Yep, that is atheism for you.

 

Man what is your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing problem...
Are you so impotent that you feel the need to insult everyone who has a different opinion than you do?

I'm not talking about on or two word (*)(*)(*)(*) head, I'm talking about the exact story being repeated twice in the same book! Do you know why? Because they didn't use a single copy of the torah/talmud but instead used multiple copies and those copies didn't match up. So instead of arbritarelly dismissing one version of that story, they included both. And they included a more recent translation from greek since that one also has some discrepancy with the hebrew/aramaic one.

BTW, I bet that you are using the KJV which by the way isn't even considered an original work. It was manipulated at the demand of an english king with passages omited or edited.

Get a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing education and a life while you're at it. Oh and you should change your alias too since you are anything but neutral... Except maybe if that alias is used to describe your mental activity.

 

Oh look, another atheist blows her stack when confronted with the reality of teh historical process. We are again talking about single word issues, just like I demonstrated, from which you derive not single word differences that convey slightly different emphasis - but entirely different meaning?

And teh KJV of the Bible has the exact same passages as the other Bibles. There are some word differences, like charity rather than love - but in our doctrine charity is the highest form of love.

We get it, atheists make excuses. As always.

Appreciate the professional swearing as well. Helps demonstrate the objectivity of atheism.

 

Eh genius, I'm not an atheist... I was born and raised a catholic, got my catechism taught to me up to my 10th grade, then had my own rebelious phase when I went into mysticism and oriental religions, but I came back to my roots.

And no the KJV isn't like other bibles. You admit yourself that there are difference. Charity isn't equal to love... You can hate and still be charitable. You can't hate and love at the same time. Love is absolute in christianity, charity isn't. Jesus message wasn't about mere charity, it was about love.

This is the reason the stupid christian sect in the USA are full of extreme right wing and racist morons who think they are still following the teaching of Jesus because they are "charitable"...

 

The Bible has stayed the same for thousands of years what has change is that it has been translated to many languages and it is this translation that tends to confuse anti Christians people that the Bible in contradictory.

What's the point of giving human's intellect and free will if all they want is for God to do everything? Might as well just create man in the image of an ape, dog, cat or snake and live according to the law of nature.