Biden announces limited gun restrictions as pressure rises following mass shootings

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/08/politics/gun-actions-joe-biden/index.html

Here we go again.

The President seems determined to limit the presence and the usage of weapons in the United States.

Americans feel the shame about having so many weapons ... or not?
Italians are known because of pizza, mafia and mandolino [even if we play mandolino no more! If not only in some little areas ... about pizza and mafia ... you know ...].
Americans are known for Hollywood and weapons ... what else?

 

America is also known for coming to the rescue when government starts murdering unarmed people.

When it comes to murder, the number one offender is government.

 

Without hesitation he can call it an epidemic but what’s happening on the border is just a challenge.

 

We all knew it was coming. Based upon the SCOTUS ruling on the Trump EO against bump stocks it seems that these will be cleared as well by SCOTUS.

Little by little rights are being whittled away while doing nothing to address the mass shootings going on.

 

Nothing wrong with enhanced background checks, but they won't be content to stop there...

 

To extrapolate on @Doofenshmirtz's excellent observation in Post #2, America is known for being the most desirable destination of people trying to escape dictatorial countries who prohibit private gun ownership but have far higher homicide rates.(1)

If stricter gun control worked to reduce homicide rates, it would work everywhere, not just in the cherry picked "developed countries"(2) that are very different from the US (2) in the most significant ways.



(1) "Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings


(2) "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"
https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-...oped-countries

EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so. They never acknowledge that when factors beyond per capita GDP are considered, it makes little sense to claim Sweden should be compared to the US, but not Argentina. Such assertions ignore immense differences in culture, size, politics, history, demographics, or ethnic diversity. Comparisons with mono-ethnic Asian countries like Japan and Korea make even less sense"CONTINUED

 

Do you think perhaps this has to do with the fact most of them can get here on foot and do not have to cross an ocean to arrive?

 

Just a little "chump change" to test the waters....I'm more concerned about his nomination of David Chipman, gun control advocate extraordinaire, as Director of the ATF, an agency well known for it's rather, shall we say, "arbitrary" enforcement methods. Should be real entertainment watching him lie through his teeth trying to sell himself as a "staunch" believer in the 2nd Amendment during his confirmation hearings.

 

Doesn't stop Cubans...

 

"Do not approach me talking about your concern for gun violence if you are silent on U.S. warmongering. You are a hypocrite. Be consistent. Stop U.S. warmongering. Support peace."

Ajamu Baraka

 

Maybe geography is not really your thing, but Cuba is 100 miles away through normally pretty calm waters of the Strait of Florida, that is a tad different than 3500 miles across the Atlantic.

 

To be honest, I don't know.

However, there are many refugees/ illegal immigrants that make it from Asian countries via ports in California and as @dharbert noted, water doesn't stop Cubans or even Africans who show up at our Southern border(1).

I suspect that when people are desperate enough, they'll find a way.

My point, however, is that virtually all of these people are escaping from countries that have must stricter gun control but either dictatorial governments and/or higher homicide rates(2).

If gun bans / gun control worked to lower homicide rates, it would lower them everywhere, not just in "developed" countries that are in reality very little like the US. (3)


(1)"Why Record Numbers of African Migrants Are Showing Up at the U.S.-Mexican Border"
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/06/2...nts-are-showing-up-at-the-u-s-mexican-border/
EXCERPT "One recent June week, the United States stopped a record number of African refugees and migrants at its southern border. Hundreds of people fleeing violence in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Eritrea, Somalia, Sudan, and beyond are embarking on journeys to South America either by boat or plane and then, on foot, making the long and treacherous trek north through Colombia and Panama on their way to the United States." CONTINUED


(2) "Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings


(3) "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"
https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-...oped-countries

 

Most of what he claimed is a straight up lie. Firearms manufacturers absolutely can be sued for production of flawed products or breaking the law. Just like any other company that makes infant car seats or whatever. The law he’s referring to prohibits suing of firearm manufacturers who do not make flawed products and do not break the law. If every time someone bashed their kid’s skull in with a car seat or put a kid in the trunk in a car seat someone sued the car seat manufacturer there would be a need to protect car seat manufacturers as well.

If every time a felon ran over or intentionally hit another car or pedestrian with the vehicle they were driving the car manufacturer got sued, there would be the same protection for auto manufacturers.

Also, vaccine manufacturers enjoy much more protection from litigation than firearms manufacturers. Biden straight up lied when he said firearms are the only industry with similar protection. Only ignorants or sycophants can take this speech seriously.

I’m on record here at PF saying I’d give Biden a fair shake and let him convince me he does follow facts. Well, he done blew it with that atrocity of a speech. I don’t like this dude’s lies any better than the last dude’s lies. There’s no excusing such blatant dishonesty.

Shame? No. I’m proud to use fine firearms in the pursuit of growing good food to feed fellow citizens of the US and the world.

By the way, one is a nice Benelli shotgun from your country!

 

Government can't fix. Laws can't fix it. Only society can fix it. We need to get back to using asylums for the mentally ill. If society doesn't want to do that then it has no business complaining about murders.

 

This part I agree with.

It was the government that put people in asylums, yet we both agree the government cannot fix the problems. I do not agree that asylums are the answer. How many of the mass shooters in the last 2 years would have qualified for an asylum prior to their rampage? Seems the answer is zero.

 

Here are the points. As expected, they do not go too far, which is typical for EOs.

1. ‘Ghost guns’ regulation gap (firearms usually assembled from parts without serial numbers)
2. New gun trafficking report (modernize a decades-old report that had been issued by the ATF)
3. Pistols with stabilizing braces (firearms marketed as pistols, but function like rifles)
4. ‘Red flag law’ model for states (a template for red flag laws, which States can choose to adopt)
5. Community Violence Interventions program

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2...rol-reforms-gun-violence-public-health-crisis

Mental asylums sounds like a government fix. I agree that mental health is the correct starting point.

 

The article doesn't actually describe what his EO does. I suppose this is on purpose because, of course, you can't "know what's in the bill" before you vote on it in congress, and a president doesn't have to tell you what he ordered and the press won't call him on it.

 

There is this thing called the internet. You can use it to go to WhiteHouse.Gov and read it word for word all by yourself. Why do you need someone to tell you what is in it?

 

Interesting... I pointed out CNN didn't actually cover the points Biden would order. Do you not suppose this matters? Pretty words, and no substance? So, thanks, no additional support necessary. Now, why do you suppose CNN doesn't actually include the content of the restrictions?

 

The same reason Fox did not I suppose. I do not really worry about such things as I do not rely on the media to tell me what is in something, I read it for myself.

Give it a try, who knows you might actually like it

 

LOL.. gosh... what can one say..... Sure. Remember you made this comment for future reference. So, is this you suggesting that Biden's order is something you want to happen?

 

Not at all, I am against EOs being used in such a fashion. But based on the SCOTUS ruling on the Trump gun EO, this one will stand and we will lose more rights.