Biden created 6,000,000 new jobs?

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  1. edthecynic

    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    Obama's economy trounced Tramp's worst economy since Hover in just about every metric!!!
     
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    Part time work increased after Obama Care. You need to listen to more than CNN and MSNBC

    BUSINESS
    75 Percent Of Jobs Created This Year Were Part-Time Due To Weak Economy, Obamacare Concerns
    Reuters[​IMG]
    08/21/2013 12:59am EDT | Updated October 21, 2013

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/part-time-job-creation_n_3788365


    ECONOMIC NEWS
    77% of all jobs added in 2013 are part time
    Most jobs being added this year are part-time and low-paying, with many blaming Obamacare for shifting the jobs market as employers are looking to get around having to provide medical care.

    https://theamericangenius.com/econo...is-year-are-part-time-economic-woes-continue/
     
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    I hope the rest of the sources you use are better than that, though I doubt they are. Working out which date in August comes first seems pretty basic to me.

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    The short version is that the first incident definately happened and the evidence on the second incident remains unclear. Some on board that night (including at least one radar guy) remain convinced that there was an attack. Others on board are convinced there was not and it was just a radar anomaly. It was initially reported up the chain as an attack before qualifications were added. The evidence is that Johnson believed there had been an attack when he requested the resolution. He may have come to believe something different subsequently.

    There is no definition of 'false flag' that fits this.
     
  4. Marine1

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    Obama had the worst recovery in 50 years. Trump trounced him in everything except jobs created up till the virus hit us last year. Here is Obama's economy. Need to get your facts strait.

    Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
    www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
    Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
    How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
    Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
    Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.
    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery


    Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record ...

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../obamas-rhetoric-on......

    Jan 07, 2014 · A record 47 million Americans receive food stamps, about 13 million more than when he took office.
     
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    Well, why not look at my sources as to Obama's economy right above your post. As you can see, most of them come from the FAR LEFT. NY Times, CNN, US News,CNBC. They are from their financial section. That is not what they told you on their nightly news. They have to be a lot more honest when a lot of money is involved.
     
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    It's even worse than that, as I didn't put up more info on Obama's great economy.

    Welfare At All-Time High Under Obama

    The latest government figures reveal that an astonishing number of people are collecting public benefits such as food stamps and disability checks, revealing an alarming trend of dependence on government rather than self-sufficiency associated with the American dream.

    A record 5.4 million workers have applied for federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to a news report that cites recent government figures. This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans, the report says.

    Since the recession supposedly ended in mid 2009, the number of people who have applied for disability benefits is double the job growth figure, according the report which includes an informative chart. In just the first four months of this year, 539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 applied for the federal benefit. That means nearly 11 million people are on disability, according to the Social Security Administration.

    Also this week, government figures reveal that a record number are getting food stamps and the figure will keep rising. This is not surprising since the Obama Administration has promoted the program like there’s no tomorrow in an effort to eradicate “food insecure households.” In fact, the administration has spent millions of dollars to recruit even more food-stamp recipients and has doled out hefty cash rewards to states that sign up the most people. One state even bragged about a $5 million performance bonus it got from the feds for its “swift processing of applications.”https://www.judicialwatch.org/.../welfare-at-all-time.../
     
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    There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before
    https://www.cnbc.com/.../there-are-more-jobs-than-people...

    Pay gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com › 2018/01/31 › pay-gains-under-trump...

    Jan 31, 2018 - Workers looking for fatter paychecks had their best year in 2017 since before the financial crisis, according to a government report Wednesday.

    Overlooked on economy? Rising paychecks for blue-collar ...
    www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/14/blue...
    Aug 14, 2019 • Blue-collar path to solid paycheck. And as blue-collar workers have seen their wallets thicken, highly educated white-collar workers’ wages have grown more modestly.

    • Pay
    gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps...
    Jan 31, 2018 • President Donald Trump's first full year in office saw gains that easily outdistanced any year for his predecessor, Barack Obama, whose best showing was the 2.2 percent increases in 2016 and 2014. Six of Obama's eight years in office saw gains of 2 percent or less.
     
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    You never heard any of this stuff on MSNBC or CNN.

    https://www.atr.org/thanks-trump-median-household-income-highest-level-ever

    Real median household income has grown by $4,144 or 6.8 percent since President Trump took office, according to an op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal.
    This data is based on a report released by Sentier Research analyzing the Census Bureau’s monthly Current Population Survey.
    As noted in the op-ed, authored by Stephen Moore, real median household income is at an all-time high:
    “Real median household income—the amount earned by those in the very middle—hit $65,084 (in 2019 dollars) for the 12 months ending in July. That’s the highest level ever and a gain of $4,144, or 6.8%, since Mr. Trump took office. By comparison, during 7½ years under President Obama—starting from the end of the recession in June 2009 through January 2017—the median household income rose by only about $1,000.”
    The below chart highlights the strong Trump wage growth.


    Economy & Politics: Income Gap Grows under Trump, Obama — but ...
    www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/income-gap-growth...
    Indeed, in a bit more than half of his term, Trump’s $5,003 mountain of growth in median household income is 346 percent higher than Bush-Obama’s $1,444 molehill of marginal middle-class earnings. https://www.nationalreview.com/.../income-gap-growth.../


    Black and Hispanic unemployment is at a record low
    www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/black-and-hispanic...
    Oct 04, 2019 · The jobless rate for Hispanics hit a record low of 3.9% in September, while African Americans maintained its lowest rate ever, 5.5%. The Hispanic women unemployment rate was 3.8% in September and ...


    Media Quiet After Trump Launches Urban Council To Invest $100 ...
    www.westernjournal.com/media-blackout-trump...
    Dec 14, 2018 · Media Quiet After Trump Launches Urban Council To Invest $100 Billion in Black Communities. Alex Wong / Getty Images President Donald Trump participates in signing an executive order to establish the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson and Sen. Tim Scott look
     
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    he certainly earned the title the food stamp president.

    Aside from a couple of glib and flippant replies not one of them has been able to refute the facts you posted about Obama's true economy
     
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    You need to fact check your FAKE NEWS sources, they are professional liars, and your false claim is a perfect example of how a professional liar lies with a half truth/whole lie.

    While it is true that PT jobs increased after Obamacare, it is also true that PT jobs are broken down into 2 categories by the BLS, "part time work for economic reasons" which I cited which would include workers whose hours were cut, the correct data to support or debunk your false claim, which DECLINED as I posted, and "Usually Work Part Time Noneconomic Reasons" which is the PT jobs that went up and has NOTHING to do with employers cutting hours.
    So by combining the two and then claiming that people who USUALLY work PT are working PT because of Obamacare is how professionals craft their lies for SUCKERS like you who are too lazy to check the facts.
     
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    Because, as no one knows better than you, none of it is true.
     
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    Unlike you, I put down a lot of sources. A lot of them are Far Left. Got to go to bed, getting late.
     
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    So where's your source that breaks down the specific numbers on the two of those?

    Do we just take your word for it?
     
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    There are no far left sources if they use Right-wing professional liars!
    For example, you list the HufPo as a source but it is actually an article written by Lucia Mutikani, a very Conservative writer for Reuters.
     
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    Again we see just how lazy the Right is, and the professional liars know it and count on it!
    I named my source in the post you were too lazy to read, the BLS.
    Next you will pretend not to know how to find data on the BLS site!
     
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    https://www.investing.com/news/econ...ing-obama-era-part-time,-contract-work-449057
    https://waynedupree.com/2016/12/bad...-were-temporary-says-harvard-princeton-study/
    https://www.rt.com/usa/371329-obama-freelance-contractors-job-growth/
    https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/...ercent-of-new-jobs-under-obama-were-temporary
    https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/01/22/the-truth-behind-obamas-job-numbers/
    https://thepoliticalinsider.com/obamas-final-economic-numbers-are-in-and-theyre-devastating/

    "While the Obama administration is prone to citing the 10 million jobs added to the economy over the past eight years, 95 percent of those are temporary, contractual jobs or part-time employment. Part-time employers are not obligated to provide any benefits for their employees, so when an employee gets sick they can either go to work or lose that day’s wages."


    The study;
    https://www.nber.org/papers/w22667

    I'll get on the horn and tell Harvard and Princeton that their study is fake news because "ed the cynic" says so.

    Anyways

    Let's go Brandon!
     
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    You gave a "Gish Gallop" of FAKE NEWS so lets see how one of your Far Left sources uses the professionally crafted lying technique I taught you how to spot earlier.
    Here is your post:
    Notice there is no number associated with the "MANY" like the exact % of PT jobs!!!!!
    A telltale sign of a professionally crafted lie, telling just enough truth to deceive and then shutting up!
    It could be "Many" more or "Many" less. You know if it was "Many" more they would have the exact number in big bold numbers, but since they know it is "Many" less the number is nowhere to be found!!!!!
     
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    best President ever, the last admin failed us, but Biden getting it done, everyone says so, historic job growth

    love it, Biden pulling a Trump, lol
     
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    we lived 4 years of Trump doing this, funny to see Biden rub it in their face
     
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    Your thread title says "Biden created 6 million jobs" and then you refer to a Tweet which says "our economy has created 6 million jobs".

    Why are you so emotional about the fact that all those jobs were created while he was president?

    Trump, in the other hand, was president for 4 years and his number is - 3 000 000. He lost 3 million jobs in 4 years.

    Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover
    https://fortune.com/2021/01/11/us-e...ed-past-presidents-worst-record-since-hoover/
    That means that Trump will become the first post–World War II president to see employment fall during his presidency. It last occurred when Herbert Hoover left office in 1933 amid the early years of the Great Depression.

    When Trump took office in Jan. 2017, U.S. employment was at 145.6 million. On Friday, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics released its final jobs report before the Jan. 20 inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden. It shows in December there were 142.6 million employed Americans, down 3 million from Trump's own inauguration.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks, I needed the humor today.
     
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    Princeton funded the research.

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    And the study is headed by the National Bureau of Economic Research.
    https://www.nber.org/

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    Did you even bother to read the damn first page? National Bureau of Economic Research. That's who created the study and collected the information, to be gathered by RAND.

    Do you have any evidence that nber is a "far right think tank" research organisation or are you just talking out of your ass? Because at this point if you don't present some sort of link or factual data to back up your claims I can just report your post as promoting fake narratives and news.

    Let's go Brandon!
     
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    You gave zero links. I'm supposed to just believe it ?

    And here you are preaching to others about professional liars
     
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    Again, please provide sources to back up this ridiculous claim.
     
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