Biden has Full Blown Dementia

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's hope he chooses an excellent running mate, then.

    Thank you for taking the trouble to provide facts instead of rhetoric and opinion. It's refreshing. I stand corrected.
     
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    And how many times did the left call Bush and then the other Bush and now Trump by the name Hitler? The hair-sniffing pervert candidate Joey the Grope who was foisted by the party insiders says it all.
     
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    The righties called Obama the same, and worse.

    Tales of Biden's groping have been egregiously exaggerated, but I think you know that.

    Both his so-called groping (which it isn't) and dementia (which it isn't) are the scrapings from the bottom of the mud-slinging barrel. Even his recent accuser, Tara Reade, has faded away (her own lawyer quit in disgust), so that ploy by the right was an epic failure. It would seem that Trump's desperation is contagious among his supporters.

    I'm not a Democrat, and Biden wasn't my first, second, or even third choice, but the fact is that the majority of voters are left-leaning centrists. Trump supporters are a rapidly dwindling minority. He knows that, hence his panic, and his desperation to make up crap about his opponent, even if one such attempt led to his impeachment.

    Pathetic.
     
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    55% of Americans polled by Zogby say Biden has dementia. Your "dwindling majority" remark is bogus.

    https://davidharrisjr.com/steven/poll-55-of-americans-believe-joe-biden-suffers-from-dementia/
     

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    Trump's approval rating never rose above 50%, and is currently 39 - 40%.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

    Dwindling. Not a bogus claim. Even the right-leaning Rassmussen poll has him at less that 50%.

    The cause of much of his slipping in popularity stems from the daily briefings that he no longer does, which is why he stopped doing them. People who voted for him in 2016 simply because they were swayed by the arguments against yet another life-long politician are having serious buyer's remorse after hearing his daily bullshit, saying stupid things and even dangerous things, such as bathing virus victims in some sort of light beams, or treating the with disinfectants, or using a drug that has been proven to have no effect on the virus and could actually kill you.

    The bloom is off the rose ... nothing left but thorns.
     
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    Those same thorns are gonna feel really prickly, come November.
     
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    I happen to believe you are dead wrong about much of this, and aren't taking a balanced view.
    I don't think the aspect of Joe being too personal with women in exaggerated, there is far too much documentation. However his intent and motives are open to speculation- and that allows a lot of conclusions. It is also obvious that Joe tends to intrude in the personal space of women with consistency- and should know better. It's disrespectful, and he does it to little girls as well as adults. I would be hard pressed to think of what kind of abuse that would bring to Trump from the left- but it would far exceed the criticism being applied to Biden. You may not agree with that read of the situation- but I'd bet you know it's true.

    Mud-slinging becomes a sort of pissing contest, and the rules of the exchange are pretty well set by those who go there first. When it gets returned in kind, those same people then cry "foul".
    That started when Trump said he would run- hasn't stopped since, and has used every abuse and ploy they could think of. The fact it is coming back at them is directly attributable to the fact that they made that the nature of the game. Try speaking rationally to a hard-line lib or dem on this forum, and with rare exception- you get trashed for your effort to be respectful.

    This is detrimental to everyone, everywhere. The rational discussion and the resolving of problems never happens in that environment, and it takes both sides. Who threw the first stone? Without question, people on the left in the summer of 2016. They still are.

    Actions reveal intent and motives.
    Makes it pretty clear that the last thing the left wants to see- is rational discussion and resolving of problems, doesn't it?
    IF they did, they would approach discussion accordingly.
     
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    Biden stopped the touching once people started complaining about it. He's a sweet man, a nice man, and there was never anything sexual about it. He likes women, he likes children, and he's always been the touchy-feely type. It's only recently, since he announced his candidacy, that it's become an issue for anyone other than those he touched. Did none of them ever express displeasure or discomfort? I don't personally like being touched and would have told him so.

    I also strongly disagree with your claim that "the left" throwing the first fistful of mud in 2016. You'll have to prove that one.

    You are quite right that actions tell the real story. That goes tenfold for Trump, who is incapable of honesty. His deeds before and after the 2016 election tell us all we need to know about his unfitness for the office of POTUS.
     
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    Obamas average approval rating was 47.9% per Wikipedia.
    Vegas odds put the contest even- no advantage either way.


    Keep things in perspective- including the way irrational hostility and the No-longer-journalistic media distorts things. And of course, those below are full term numbers, Trump's is partial.

    While public opinion impacts political outcomes, history and hindsight often show things is a much more realistic light. While people talk about change- they want things to get better for them first, personally- and the nation later, and they do not want that to require any time, money or effort on their part. This is why we have come to this point- we have been electing people for years on popularity rather than ability and competence. If they tell us what we want to hear rather than what we need to hear, regardless of how unrealistic it is- people will vote for them. It's like hiring a pilot for your airplane trip because he's good looking and has a nice uniform, but you don't give much thought to his ability to fly the plane.

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    I'll just have to assume that the OP doesn't know anyone with dementia. If you did, you would realize that Biden's shortcomings look NOTHING like dementia. But its a good talking point for the right - so carry on.
     
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    The most informative bit on that graph is that, going all the way back to FDR, Trump is the only one whose approval rating never rose above 50%.

    I've been voting since 1972. I've never been a member of any,political party. In all 12 presidential elections, my vote has been for what I saw as the lesser of two evils. The candidates that I thought would be the best for the job never made it out of the primaries.

    My hypothesis is that due to the microscope under which we see those candidates, those with the intellect and ability to do the job aren't running for office. We all have a past, we've all done stupid things, but every little wart is made into a full blown melanoma by the opposition, whichever side that may be.
     
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    This goes back to proving there is water in the ocean. Unless you have been on some other planet, or never watched any news or events, you know that what I said about the slanderous attacks on Trump from day one are totally true. IF you feed yourself a diet of CNN/MSNBC and buy it, you are failing to keep your eyes and mind open. I think you are smarter than that, at least behind closed doors.

    From the Chicago Tribune, October 2118
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/opin...ses-presidential-truthfulness-1017-story.html

    "Donald Trump may be remembered as the most honest president in modern American history. Don’t get me wrong, Trump lies all the time. He said that he “enacted the biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history” (actually they are the eighth-largest) and that “our economy is the strongest it’s ever been in the history of our country” (which may one day be true, but not yet). In part, it’s a New York thing — everything is the biggest and the best.

    But when it comes to the real barometer of presidential truthfulness — keeping his promises — Trump is a paragon of honesty. For better or worse, since taking office, Trump has done exactly what he promised he would do.

    Trump kept his promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, something his three immediate predecessors also promised yet failed to do. He promised to “crush and destroy ISIS,” and two years later he is on the verge of eliminating Islamic State’s physical caliphate. He promised to impose a travel ban on countries that he saw as posing a terrorist threat, and after several false starts the final version of his ban was upheld by the Supreme Court.

    Trump pledged to nominate Supreme Court justices “in the mold of Justice (Antonin) Scalia,” and now Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh sit on the high court. Trump also pledged to fill the federal appellate courts with young, conservative judges, and so far the Senate has confirmed 29 — more than any recent president at this point in his administration."
     
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    And you are correct about that. If you don't have a concrete shell, they will destroy you- UNLESS you placate the majority by giving away the future. FDR did that to face a national emergency- we are still paying for it, and our great-grandchildren will be paying for it. Why? because a solution that was actually economically sound would never have been accepted. Sending the bill to someone else, of course was even when it was our yet unborn future children. It takes courage to be responsible and self sufficient. To stand for what needs to be done. While people want that when the need is critical, they don't appreciate it when it's not. Reminds me of General George Patton. The Germans feared him, his troops loved him, and the politicians loathed him. They were the ones who used him to save their asses, then trashed him when he was done- all because he wouldn't play the game politicians.

    The majority of the time, the real enemy of our success and happiness- is us.
     
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    You would be wrong.

    I am clinically authorized to administer any of the tests and screening instruments that are currently being used to determine the functional deterioration of nursing home patients.

    Cognitive testing, aphasia screening and the Beck scales are among the most commonly used instruments to determine how much support a patient should receive.
     
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    I apologize - your assessment of Biden, however, is not in line with a dementia patient. And, apparently, you should know that.
     
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    "Dementia describes a group of symptoms associated with a decline in memory, reasoning or other thinking skills." APA

    Over the past six weeks or so, Biden has consistently exhibited severe problems with short term memory, long term memory and expressive language.

    The deterioration is accelerating at a pretty fast pace...
     
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    I'm dealing with two elderly ladies, 86 and 97, that I've known for years. I've watched the loss of memory, recall, cognitive (as in recognition), the capacity to calculate and understand numbers and so on diminish. One for instance asked me to look at her checkbook to see if she could write a $4000 check. I told her she had $68,000 balance in the account- and she asked me if that was enough to cover it.
    I called her daughter and told her- you need to take charge of your mothers finances...

    I'm no doctor or qualified person either, but seen this many times before. This is a transition of age that varies with the person. My mother died at 97 and was sharp, but I also knew a man with full alzheimers in his early 60's. The point at which diminishing capacities exist and meet a threshold of diagnosis is just that- a point in the process. I think it's clear the process is underway with Biden, based on the deterioration of his abilities compared to those same aspects demonstrated in his past. Naming it and the severity is up to people familiar with the technical labels.

    The bottom line is we are talking about the most important job in the world- no place to lower our requirements.
     
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    I think Biden has the mentality of about an eight year old child. If he has dementia or one of its relations, he could go downhill fast. In which case, he would be very easily manipulated. I have no doubt that my eight year old grandson would jump at the chance to be president. But more mature heads must prevail.
     
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    Actually, it isn't a very good talking point, but it seems to be the best they can up with so far. Can't you hear the scraping sound at the bottom of the barrel?
     
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    The "attacks on Trump" consisted entirely of his own past words and deeds. How is that slanderous? If the "dirt" is that obvious, it speaks for itself. All the Democrats had to do was show videos, run audios, and display tweets directly from Trump.

    The op/ed you have here speaks of promises kept, but what's listed there (aside from ISIS) are things that the majority of Americans either did not want or didn't care much about.

    Evangelicals cared about moving the embassy; most Americans either didn't know ir didn't care whether it was in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem.

    Only the right approved of Trump's ban on travelling from Muslim countries. The majority -- consisting of liberals, centrists, and some old-style conservatives -- saw the ban as extremely prejudicial against people of a particular religion and therefore unconstitutional.

    As for conservative justices: many of those he appointed were unfit for the bench. There were even some who had never litigated a case. Those that dod get confirmed aren't kuch better. And bear in mind that conservatives are a minority. The Democratic party has more members, and their ranks have grown since the last election in direct response to Trump. One only needs to look at the results from the 2018 midterms to see that. Most voters are lean slightly to the left of center.

    Please refrain from the personal insults. I've been very civil with you. You basically called me close-minded. That was rude. I get my information from trustworthy sources such as Reuters, AP, and a few others. Notice that I'm refraining from assuming that you watch nothing but Fox News.
     
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    Your statements defending the early attacks on Trump say only that you refuse to admit and discuss reality- and of course, that has become common strategy with the democrats and left. To me, if a person is unwilling to see the complete picture- that leaves us unable to discuss anything realistically. That is a choice you have made, not a necessity. The very act of doing this becomes a personal insult to any person who values reason and integrity. Far beyond rude, and claims of being civil in the process hardly alters the fact. It implies you think people are foolish enough to accept distortion as fact and will fold up if others speak aggressively. Sadly some are- thus the nation is in deep trouble. You are entitled to think whatever you wish- that's free speech. For now. But if the very left you support get their way, I think you will find the only free speech that is tolerated will be that which follows their dictate. It is not my intent to do anything but speak the truth here. IF that makes you uncomfortable- no apology is coming.

    Trump wasn't elected to build your version of America, not even mine even though I support that side. It's to do what's right for the nation- not for other nations, but for the nation he leads and the citizens of it. There were no false colors or deception in the idea of making America great again- but there certainly is in the effort to make all people guilty for existing, to destroy constitutional rights, integrity, self respect and family values- and that is precisely what the left intends to do, leading only to even worse objectives. At the moment, it's working too well. We have been far too tolerant of this nonsense.

    The effort to promote Biden as a viable replacement is such an obvious ploy that the most dedicated democrats know it's not legit, yet have the gall to pretend nothing is wrong- and they criticize Trump while they promote what is the equivalent of a dead horse entering the race. It's gas-lighting the nation, and that take a lot of brass- not the kind people respect, either.

    Any flaws Trump might have do not hold a candle to that kind of treachery- which in my view is treasonous. I am one of millions who took the oath long ago to defend the constitution against all enemies- foreign and domestic, and I still hold that as a life-long pledge. We hope that will never be necessary- but each day it appears more likely it will. That would not be in support of Trump, that would be in defense of the constitution and the free nation.
     
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    Are you a doctor?
    Sorry, I didn't get far before my face hit my palm.

    My abhorrence of Donald Trump predates this century. I lived in New York City for nearly ten years. He hasn't changed. He was a laughingstock then, and he's still a laughingstock, only now he's taking us all down that road. Americans desperate for change managed to elect the quintessential loud mouth from Queens. Do you think New Yorkers called him The Donald out of respect or affection?

    You can calmly and reasonably make any number of arguments for him being a victim of attacks from the left, but he brings all of that on himself. I can list the positive things he's done on my fingers, but I'll only need one hand.

    My apologies, but you'll find me intractable on this. I've known Trump for the flim flam man he is since the 80s, and in my considered opinion, he's only gotten worse. He is incompetent, he is a bully, he fires people just for disagreeing with him, and he has surrounded himself with sycophants and toadies, bringing the level of competent governance down into the gutter he wallows in. My worst fears from the day he was elected have been fully realized, and if he does manage to get another term, I shudder to think of how much damage he could do, not just here but globally.
     
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    No link, no pictures, no nothing....
     
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    I've heard your story before. He's an incompetent, ignorant man, who has only turned a good inheritance into a world-wide real-estate empire, and with no political history or experience has beaten the best the democrats could come up with against overwhelming odds (NY Times said 91% Hillary, 9% Trump), to win the most important political position in the world... and achieved that victory using 1/3 the staff and 1/3 the money of the opposition, which is a feat totally unprecedented in our history and claimed to be totally impossible by virtually all political experts, simultaneously turning the hordes of critics who mocked him as you do into fools overnight.

    So- If that is the mental level of a moron or whatever label you chose,
    What level and label do you use for those whose asses he kicked to the curb?

    Now don't just disappear into the shadows here- address the question. You opened the door....
     
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    What will it take for the Donks to admit Biden won't win this November?
     

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