Biden is creating a new White House office focused on gun violence prevention

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Your legal assertion about registering weapons is complete bogus. As far as crime, the ATF and every other law agency disagrees with you.
     
  2. Turtledude

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    I call bullshit on that. Post your proof. When democrats run major LE Agency, the heads say yes, when Republicans do, they say no.

    what benefits do gun owners get from registration

    we know what benefits gun banning politicians get
     
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    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Circling back to the obtuse gun confiscation joke. More unfounded paranoia. For those who think people are after their guns, they are not that important. ;)
     
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    If someone who really doesn't understand the issue, were to read the comments of gun banners on this board and who are on the air, what do you think they would believe gun banners want to do?

    you keep claiming that registration doesn't help confiscation while ignoring England. and it is clear from your posts that you would love to see confiscation if there wasn't too high a political price for your leaders to pay by implementing it

    if you don't think someone should be able to buy a gun, it is rather disingenuous to claim you are OK with them possessing those guns
     
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    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Hey, I never said anything about not buying guns, I am pro gun and castle doctrine. !!!

    I have no patience with internet posters making up sh!t.
     
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    so you support registration or not?
     
  7. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    I already said I did
     
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    so you really don't support gun rights. There is not a single pro gun rights organization that supports the registration of privately owned firearms. Not the NRA, not the GOA, not the SAF, not BFA etc. Yet every anti gun group-the Bradys, Giffords, Everytown etc they all want registration
     
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    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Unlike you I don't have anything to hide. Those Alex Jones conspiracies are as stupid as they come, let alone the people that subscribe to them.
     
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    you still haven't told me how registration actually helps lawful gun owners. and why anyone who claims to support legal gun ownership would support registration. The fact is that every national pro gun group opposes registration and every national anti gun group supports registration is pretty damning
     
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    You think this clown show is going to make us "free from gun violence"? How do you think that's going to happen? By what authority are they going to accomplish that?
     
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    We don't have anything to hide, we just don't want our property confiscated.
     
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    I am trying to figure out how anyone who claims to support legal gun ownership would support registration.
     
  14. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Because they don't really support gun ownership.
     
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    that's the only conclusion I can find that makes sense.
     
  16. Reality

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    Nah, see when they call for bans you're supposed to just let them do it and there should be no reaction to their threat of a ban.
    If you react, you're a bad think person, and bad think is bad. You don't want to be bad do you?
     
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    Guess what an AR 15 is classified as?
    Guess what was mentioned?

    That's right.
     
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    I love when you folk get passive aggressive like this.

    Yes, its all exactly as you paint it. I'm literally Snidely Whiplash and I will cackle evilly and twirl my mustache in a moment.

    You still don't have the numbers for a constitutional amendment, so you can whine all you like.
     
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    Do you have a suggestion then, o wise and learned one?
     
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    Believe in one hand and **** in the other. Tell me which one fills up faster.

    Offer a concrete solution. Think outside the box.
     
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    You can have smart tech when 1) its ubiquitous for law enforcement, military, and all protective details the feds issue (including presidential) and 2) it does not make the cost of the weapon prohibitively expensive, constituting little more than something akin to a poll tax.
    That doesn't exist.

    Its already illegal to possess as a felon, and an enhancement in any crime. Do a crime also possessing a gun? Extra charges and/or enhanced minimums and maximums.
    If someone steals something from you, you're not responsible for what they did with it. You're not responsible for the torts and crimes of others.
    Further: the right is to KEEP and to BEAR. Both of those, but especially bear, contemplate the object to be ready for use.
    See DC. v Heller, you can't have a all guns locked up requirement.

    How about you tell me what you would punish and how? Don't make a nebulous statement, tell me who is irresponsible and what should be meted out as punishment.
     
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    What do you mean? It was an Uzi, which is a sub-machinegun. Sort of the issue, its got a **** stock and a **** ton of climb and the RSO ****ed up.
    And the issue wasn't an arbitrary under 18 standard. It was that the little girl handed the weapon and told to fire it was given no instruction on how to handle it or what to expect and the RSO didn't help steady her hands like might be appropriate with 1) a first timer on a gun like that and 2) a small person.

    But children are uniquely suited for crew served weaponry emplacements IE an MG.
     
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    https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/flori...rges-for-defending-home-with-ak-47-style-gun/
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/memphis-homeowner-kills-two-burglars-with-ak-47/
    https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/04/...inst-5-armed-crooks-kills-3-in-home-invasion/
    You'd be wrong.

    And registration is unconstitutional, insist all you want.
     
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    Which is why you have a legendary cottage industry with your biker gangs:

    https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/tag/australia/

    Yall have a WHOLE PAGE on a blog devoted to homemade fire arms in the press.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-11-3d-printed-guns-australia.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ADE-machine-guns-drugs-cash-allegedly-in.html

    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/16/australian-police-10-firearms-seized-homemade/
     
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    Ridiculous suggestion. A gun safe only helps secure weapons, if those weapons are kept in the safe, when not in use. A person who doesn't feel that a safe or some other protective mechanism is worth the investment, is not likely to start using one, just because it is free. Apparently they, like you, feel that securing their weapons is not part of their own "personal responsibility."
     

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