Biden is no socialist

Many of this forum's right-wingers will refer to Joe Biden as a socialist throughout the next four years. But, unlike most such writers, this venue's political reactionaries suffer the indignity of running afoul of actual socialists, i.e., myself.



Therefore, over the next four years, I will remind readers that Biden is no socialist and that only the most ill-informed amongst us refer to him as such.



We, socialists, know Joe Biden. We know him to be a fiercely pro-capitalist, warmongering, racist, neoliberal. Even Republican Senator Josh Hawley rightly noted that Biden's cabinet consists of "corporatists and war enthusiasts."



Biden will operate within the same neoliberal and principally reactionary realm that Obama and Clinton acted in. The faces in the Biden-Harris administration will be black, female, Latino, gay, etc. But its policies will keep power from workers, perpetuate the capitalist class's ability to exploit the working class viciously, and fuel the capitalist system's war machine.



History shows us that for the capitalist system to survive and expand (two words synonymous with capitalism), war is necessary. And, given that he has yet to meet a war he opposed, Biden will wholeheartedly accommodate that fact when necessary.




Throughout the Biden-Harris administration, war, police murders, white supremacy, and other social pathologies will continue. So, too, will their regime oppose universal healthcare, the bolstering of the Social Security and Medicare programs, and practically everything else that would benefit workers.



Despite the constant, conditioned, and doltish ramblings of the political Right, Biden and Harris are anything but socialists. Last June, Biden told a room full of billionaires and multi-millionaires that "nothing would change" if he secured the Oval Office.



To be sure, the only way that positive socioeconomic change can occur is if we workers see the capitalist system's end.





Guy Marsh

Member (since 1990)

Socialist Labor Party of America (est. 1890)



Former member: Peace & Freedom Party (1988-1990)

Former member: Democratic Party (1982-198

Former member: California Republican Party (1976-1982)

 

You are correct, Biden has no idea what he is but rest assured he will be told what to say and do.

 

Told what to say and do ?? By whom????

 

To be sure, Jestsayin. The fact that Biden told certain members of the capitalist class that "nothing will change" confirms your contention.

"Biden Tells Billionaires: “Nothing Would Change” if He ..."
https://summit.news/2019/06/20/biden-tells-billionaires-nothing-would-change-if-he...

 

See my post listed above this one, 61falcon.

 

Not going to spend my time and take him/her/alphabet off my ignore list just to read one liners.

 

Not into the spoon-feeding of anyone, eh, Jestsayin?

 

Kinda funny though.

"Progressives" (or whatever name you care to use) claim Biden is too far to the right.
Republicans accuse Biden of being a Marxist.

Back in February I got into an actual screaming match with my 19 YO daughter over my not supporting Bernie. I told her I like Bernie and some of his ideas but I want to win and Bernie was not going to win. Mayor Pete was my guy early but when he faltered, Biden was the guy who would beat Trump. She called me everything sort of Hitler. But I pointed out that Joe wouldn't give me all I wanted but he would move us in that direction and half of something was way better than all of nothing.

I support much of what they call the "socialist agenda." Not the lies, actual ideology. But, for me, I want to get there with a strong foundation and that means taking our time so we can achieve the goal as the UNITED states. I don't want to "Sandinista" my way there in a civil war nor do I want to France/Italy my way there with one failed government after another as we stumble from economic crisis to crisis.

I'll be long dead when we get there but, maybe my kids or grandkids can reap that benefit.

 

Well this is all very absolutist.

*Bookmarked* let's see if you're right.

 

A lot of truth in the OP. I prefer everyone who wants socialism just go do it. We don’t need government permission or sanction.

I think widespread socialism is a pipe dream, especially in the modern US, simply because there are too many people unwilling to work for what they want. The OP pretty much summed that up with a little more finesse and political correctness.

 

You're providing information to people who don't understand sicialism, and sadly don't want to. I refer you to my second signature line.

It seems that your own political views have been mercurial over the decades. What got you to jump from the GOP in 1982? I'm curious, since my own views have remained much steadier, going back one election cycle earlier than yours.

 

The fact that Joe Biden was for free trade, and Trump against, gave me more sympathy toward Trump, as free trade is the most violent thing for lower classes. The same could be said of massive immigration.

Biden is a representant of the upper class left. And he would be socialist when it's suitable to him, "mutualize the loss, make private the benefit", that's the kind of way of thinking of those people.

I don't need to argue to much in that sense, I think that the next 4 years would be already enough amuzing when considering the disappointment that with no doubt will happen in the left wing.

 

Biden is no socialist
Yeah, probably not. Probably can't even spell it......

 

dadoalex: "Kinda funny, though. 'Progressives' (or whatever name you care to use) claim Biden is too far to the right. Republicans accuse Biden of being a Marxist."

Yes, of course, Joe Biden leans toward the political Right. To understand Biden as a politician is to know that he is a neoliberal, which is ultimately a reactionary sociopolitical mindset. After all, to carry out deregulation, globalization, free trade, austerity, and other neoliberalism manifestations, the capitalist system's forces of reaction are often mobilized.

dadoalex: "Back in February, I got into an actual screaming match with my 19-year-old daughter over my not supporting Bernie. I told her I like Bernie and some of his ideas, but I want to win, and Bernie was not going to win."

Two questions, dadoalex; 1) why is winning more important to you than your principles? and 2) can we bring about positive change while the majority of voters cling to their need to "win"?

dadoalex: "Mayor Pete was my guy early, but when he faltered, Biden was the guy who would beat Trump. She called me everything short of Hitler. But I pointed out that Joe wouldn't give me all I wanted, but he would move us in that direction, and half of something was way better than all of nothing."

Another question, dadolaex, have you ever entertained the possibility that voting for the lesser of two evils paves the way for more "evil"?

dadoalex: I support much of what they call the 'socialist agenda.' Not the lies, actual ideology. But, for me, I want to get there with a strong foundation, and that means taking our time so we can achieve the goal as the UNITED states."

Here is still another question, dadoalex, what is your understanding of the "socialist agenda"?
Thank you, sir.

dadoalex: "I don't want to 'Sandinista my way there in a civil war, nor do I want to France/Italy my way there with one failed government after another as we stumble from economic crisis to crisis."

Well, as someone who spent time in Nicaragua during the 1980s, I can assure you that the Sandanistas did not wish for a civil war. I can attest that it was the US State Department that instigated the Nicaraguan people's battle against Somoza. And that is important because it shows that ruling classes dictate revolutionary tactics and, accordingly, that armed struggle is often unavoidable. To put it another way, we don't always get what we want.
As for France, that society has had "socialist" governments in name only, for a socialist government has yet to exist anywhere on Earth. (Please note that I did not write that "a purely socialist government has yet to exist anywhere on Earth." I wrote nothing other than "a socialist government has yet to exist anywhere on Earth.")

dadoalex: "I'll be long dead when we get there, but maybe my kids or grandkids can reap that benefit."

I think the optimum word here is "if" - if we get there. At this point, it is more likely that we will fall into a state of industrial feudalism hitherto unimagined. Industrial feudalism enforced by a ruthless fascist state.

Guy Marsh
Member (since 1990)
Socialist Labor Party of America (est. 1890)

Former member: Peace & Freedom Party (1988-1990)
Former member: Democratic Party (1982-19-eighty-eight)
Former member: California Republican Party (1976-1982)

 

First, you need to learn to use the interface. Your method make it VERY difficult to follow your intent.

I think doubting my principles is not a path you want to take. But, in response with a question: What good are your principles when you lose? My guy was not going to win so MY principles would not be pursued. Given that the next choice would give me some of what I wanted and move us closer to what I want I chose half of something rather than all of nothing. Is this a hard concept for you?

And, again, the language seems a challenge. Perhaps you're just not reading ALL OF THE WORDS. Given you left out the Italy/France references in your response, it seems obvious. BUT, because I'm such a sweetheart I will explain, briefly. Nicaragua has essentially bee in a civil war since the 80s. Multiple failed governments, multiple coup attempts. Attempt to move too far, too fast without the infrastructure and socialization required and you open the door to becoming "Sandinistad."

That statement has no basis in fact or history, your ideology is showing which is why I don't vote for your types. That demand that the world must burn for you to get your utopia is used by the reactionaries to drive fear about each and every positive social change over the last 100 years. It is unfortunate that your radicalism gets associated to someone like Biden. Your attitudes only make it harder for the rest of us.

 

I agree. But technically, Biden, by supporting neoliberal economic policies, is a fascist, not a capitalist . Few socialists understand the difference. Even socialism must rely on capitalism for economic success.

 

a socialist would not of spent as much as Trump did these last 4 years, the only difference is it would of went to the working class rather then the rich and mega corps

 

someday Socialism will be the only choice if corps keep moving more and more towards foreign imports, foreign outsourcing, Automation and AI

greedy corporatism is destroying capitalism

 

Ah, I think we have different ideas on what socialism is. A UBI proposed in the TED talk wouldn’t be socialism. Just a different method of keeping the peasants from grabbing pitchforks to assault the greedy corporatist. It’s still the centuries old bread and circuses routine.

 

Why does everyone have to play this silly games? You are right. Joe Biden is not a socialist.
He's your typical new deal democrat/ modern American Liberal who tilts just a little to the left of the American center. He's Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, John Kerry, Al Gore, Les Aspin, Tip O Neil, Ed Muskie. I could go on and on. Those who make a point to demonize new deal democrat/modern American liberals as corporatist/ warmongering globalist/racists are jumping at the chance to do it again. Those who make a point to demonize new deal democrat/modern American liberals as anti-American marxist/ socialist pinko commie types are jumping at the chance to do that again.

I'd prefer someone who leaned a little more to the left of Joe, but he's okay, and he is exactly what Dems really wanted our nominee to be more than anything else - ELECTABLE over Donald Trump. We did not demand much more than an improvement in the competence department over the current man, and someone who would not terrify the voters in swing states into voting for Trump again.

And that is what we got.

 

Biden's not a socialist- He's more like silly putty. He can be or appear to be whatever profits him. The lack of a firm belief in a sound system and principles is what has allowed him to stay in politics so long- he can compromise anything, and has done so to the point that nothing is sacred. So.... he becomes what he is not, because it's convenient at the moment. In spite of that- it could be worse, he could actually believe in the crap you endorse here. At least we know he's not that.

Obama said it well- "Never underestimate Joe's ability to F**k things up."

 

And of course all that assumed that Biden rules another four years, I suspect there is a reason the lefty news folk are suddenly all over the Hunter Biden story that was verbotten before the election. I suspect he's going to get the Nixon choice ere long.

 

And of course all that assumed that Biden rules another four years, I suspect there is a reason the lefty news folk are suddenly all over the Hunter Biden story that was verbotten before the election. I suspect he's going to get the Nixon choice ere long.

 

I hear ya, but the first order of business was to get rid of Donald Trump. Thing is, put a socialist against a sociopath, and, in America, the sociopath will win every time.

With Biden, we can at least get back into the Paris Accord, restore the environmental laws he repealed and stop the idiocy that was Trump.

Hopefully, the next president will be more progressive. We shall see what awaits in 2024.

 

I think most people on both sides expect Biden to get us into a war fairly quickly.

Gonna miss Trump when that happens.